Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?

I never said we should get rid of AWB but it's not unreasonable to think Ten Hag wants something different which AWB lacks.

Hence why I said 'only if we're bringing in a replacement' at which point I trust the manager's judgement.

 

Hello gents!

I wanted to welcome you all to another week of no sale! Possibly no transfers! And more likely more news from Russo.

This is frustrating!!

 

Things are that bad even the papers have stopped making up transfer rumours about us

 

Here we go again - our competition are strengthening all over the pitch with cash to splash and here we are waiting on Rashford signing a new contract. No players out, not a single player in yet only weeks ago we were being linked with every major player on the planet. What a clusterfuck this sale has become - by the time it is sorted one way or another, all the decent signings will have committed themselves elsewhere and we'll be left with the option of signing dross or nothing at all.

 

I won't mention Timber going to Arsenal then

 

Timber is a clown! He allowed LvG to psyche him out of a move to us. The player that we got as a replacement ended up on team that knocked out LvG’s Netherlands. Let him go to Arsenil!

Arsenal have been are spending a lot of money. I don’t think they have much left in the tank. Their last offer for Rice is said to be in four instalments for £75m. We should be competing for that player with real offer.

 

I agree. The only thing is, just bcos Timber was psyched out by LVG doesn't make him a bad player or affect how much Ten Hag rated him. And we still need a CB (and he can play at RB also) so I think we should still be going for him.

At 50m euros he's a decent signing imo.

 

Disturbing **** in some papers about Antony abusing his partner - what do the club do now, do we do a 'Greenwood' every time something like this is reported or what?

 

Yes I'm afraid we do. The club has to investigate it and if he's found to be guilty then take action, even if that means terminating his contract.

I'm not saying he's guilty btw, and I'm not saying he should have his contract terminated, but every incident has to be investigated in the same way as any other. All I can say is I hope none of it is true.

 

I read about it over a week ago.

Are we suggesting that the club start another investigation? How long is that going to take? A year? And does Antony get banned in the meantime like Greenwood until the club’s investigation is complete? And what happens if all charges are dropped? Do we ship him out too?

I’m obviously playing devil’s advocate there. My take is that the club has to let the legal process work out the outcome. If the player is not psychologically affected, the stance has to be innocent until proven guilty. I certainly wouldn’t trust the current dysfunctional regime investigating anything when they themselves should be investigated.

 

I don't know the answer, I guess you follow employment law.

Circumstances are different for different cases. The video and audio for Greenwood was more damning than the say so of an ex-girlfriend making an accusation, so you have to take appropriate action in terms of suspensions etc depending on the evidence. One may require it, the other may not. But all will require an investigation whether said employee is suspended or not. Just like in any job btw

 

These cases are not trivial matters. But the initial visceral reaction can’t be used to decide a position because the authorities are the only party that can get closer to whatever the truth is. I don’t think that we can use the argument that one video looked bad as an argument why one situation is different. I take the stance that rape and abusive behaviours are all credible regardless of visuals but still not the basis to conclusively decide that an accused is definitively guilty. Evidently in Greenwood’s case, the visuals alone didn’t lead to prosecution by the authorities as the accuser retracted the claims.

I’m all for the club having zero tolerance, but not all cases are equal. I think the best avenue to investigate is through the right channel of those that have access to the facts. Remember too that Ronaldo had an ongoing rape case against him while he was playing for us. In that instance, the club allowed innocent until proven guilty to take precedence, and rightly so. I would expect the same stance with Antony as opposed to the Greenwood path.

 

I never said anything should be used to decide guilt.

I said different situations dictate whether a player is suspended or not, while an investigation is conducted. That is true in any job, certainly in my profession.

 

He's not been charged of anything, that's the most obvious and significant difference.

This is an accusation, not a charge, of a clearly desperate (for cash) woman whose nose has been put out of joint somehow. And now she's gone on TV to tell her tale.

Greenwood was arrested, and charged.

Completely different.

If Antony's accuser decides to get off TV and go to the police with a compelling story, maybe they'll think she's telling the truth and do something concrete about it.

Until then, it's someone telling stories in front of a TV camera and **** knows if there is any truth whatsoever in it. Does it sound truthful? Does it ****.

It can't be left to Twitter, Tik Tok or the not606 premier league board sanctimonious **** club to decide if he's guilty. Because he looks a 'wrong un' doesn't make it the truth. The bloke was brought up in a favela for **** sake, he's hardly going to look anything but a wrong un.

The club don't have to do anything more than have a little word in his ear to say they're not happy with this sort of publicity.

That's it.

 

The issue in this case is different jurisdictions (Brasil) and different interpretations of the law. As I understand it the victim has complained to the police over his conduct in Brasil, but she intends to pursue civil action against him in the UK. The problems for the club start when a formal allegation is made in Brasil and /or a civil action is lodged in the UK. Having taken a stance on Greenwood we will have to follow suit with Antony. Just what we needed.

 

No we won't, that should only happen if charges are brought against him.

This is what pisses me off with the Greenwood case. Charges were placed so the club had to act, no problem there. Then the police dropped all charges due to "new evidence" coming to their attention the nature of which we will never learn but the club had already acted (correctly) and now have no evidence with which to defend a change of action except an internal enquirey which will never be accepted by biased ****e supporters of other clubs.

He will spend years being called a rapist if he stays which will probably ruin his career in England.

 

Exes now know they can play the 'abuse' card to milk money from their superstar cash cows. Easy money, he must have been a righteous soul while earning peanuts at Ajax..

 

Yeh my point was very much on the basis she takes legal action.

If she's just going to moan on social media and TV then bollox to it.

 

Look I have no problem with the grief Greenwood is being given. But why is there no spotlight on Arsenal with Partey? Why no spotlight on Man City over Mendy?

As a club we seem to be scrutinised and vilified more than any other, like a different set of rules apply to us.

 

Correct, and the two you point out (Party and Mendy) have multiple accusations against them which to me would seem more likely to have some substance.