Sorry I’ve just noticed this post . What utter tripe , you insinuate Blair lied about Iraq, (once again your reality), Chilcot who had an inquiry with all the facts at his disposal said he didn’t. You then suggest somehow Blair’s decision to take us in costs thousands of lives and $trns, again wrong. USA we’re going in anyway, with or without us . I’m really worried about you Realred you’ve missed your med’s again haven’t you ??
The same as OJ Simpson didn’t really murder his wife ? Being proven innocent doesn’t always appease what a lot of other people feel about your ‘crimes’
the reason you might be worried is because you are not taking a many pointed view, and you do tend to skip over and missposts which you see later and have since become non applicable to the context. now that is interesting, 2 prime ministers who have, whether been subject to an inquiry or not, both lied to Parliament. One's lies caused the death's of 000's and millions no infact $trns of damage and the other " so called" fibbed to the parliament about whether behaviour during covid was in keeping with "the rules". It is difficult pretty much impossible to say his actions actions that he "so called fibbed about" actually directly led to any death's or damage to property as the .gov was basing all its actions on scientific advise! Re posted it as you certainly make a mess of explaining what you read most times... exactly, what tripe? [try less effort at being sarcastic of belittling and read stuff and have a more open view] .... it is 2 PM's ... you have that correct whether subjected to an inquiry or not you seem to want to glaze that over or speed read past it ! IT states the circumstances around the latter parts of their terms so is not tripe, just your way of tryinfg to belittle the comments which you so often plaster around your replies or accuse others of doing! You are very selective of your understanding, standing up for what you see in print that means your loyalty to the party, but poo pooing other items that give insights as to what and reason why the majority believe he lied uk has a system of jurors..... in cases such as inquiries the population is their own jury and most polls done during and since would put the tag on TB as guilty as charged... whether or not some minor technicality allowed a different result
Inquiry concluded he didn’t lie..presuming the details/evidence given were true.. please forgive me if I believe most of what’s delivered is to suit the agenda.. in other words cover ups nowadays are part of normality.. ie corruption.. the gullible will believe otherwise!!
Let’s deal with your points one at a time. Again you claim that 2 PM’s lied, then in the very next sentence you portray the consequence of the lies of one of them as costing thousands of lives and $trns, and the other one having “so called” fibbed. later on in the post you claim Blair has been judged by polls and public opinion, but seem to poo poo & ignore the fact Boris has been judged in the same manner. Even though you claim TB cost thousands of lives and $trns , you ignore the fact that the USA were going in anyway TB didn’t influence that decision. Explain how TB’s decision cost thousands of lives and $trns of dollars when the USA were going in anyway?. Those lives would still have been lost and those $trns would still have been spent regardless of whatever decision TB took. public opinion matters, but so does our system. We are ruled by the House of Commons, who ultimately make the laws, and the justice system, which implement the Laws. Parliament has rules on how MP’s act. So let’s take the two cases in point 1 . TB , you say public opinion has decided he’s guilty of lying, even if that’s true we allow a court, or our peers, to look at all the facts and come to a decision, as a civilised society we agree to abide by their decision, that’s what makes us a democracy rather than having mob rule. It’s not a “minor technicality”, In the case of TB the inquiry, having looked at all the evidence decided he didn’t lie. I accept their decision. Because he has been acquitted he shouldn’t be prevented from being given a Knighthood. 2/ Boris . Public opinion also has decided he’s guilty, also the inquiry set up and made up of senior parliamentarians, with a numerical advantage of Tory MP’s, that he himself at the outset was happy with found him guilty of lying to parliament, again not a “minor technicality” My politics has nothing to do with my views on the two individuals, I look at the facts and apply logic, unlike you I try to be impartial. Who was it who said anyone who wants to be PM, probably isn’t suitable to be PM , or something along those lines. That’s how I view them both. But whether we agree or not one has been found guilty of lying to parliament, the other hasn’t .
ashton no need to try and analyse as it is what it is and the comparative consequences are what they were/ are .. to be fair I saw your reply and have just typed this reply without reading it after lets deal with your points 1 at a time . It is like to be reissues of of what you previously posted, or your slant on it being because it tripe or you need to to belittle remarks etc apologies for not reading it it may ???? contain something a bit different but likely just continue to go round in a circle
I actully followed some of this trial on TV ... and also did follow a lot of the after trial stuff. I was a OJ fan and always looked out for him games that made the tv. My leaning was toward benefit of the doubt as my starting point, day 1, the opinion I had with respect to the defence during the trial was that "he was guilty" because the prosecution were not able to provide a tangible answer to the arguments that they spirited up. But I must admit after the first 6 months, post trial, the programmes and " retrial tv runs etc" supported moreso the prosecution! He was lucky to have gotten away with it and no double jeopardy! the defence in so many words much much later [ years ] did hint they did not expect to get not guilty! As for the partygate crap... I just wish we could go back to DEC: 2020 and have an inquiry to all the millions who bent the rules ... I knew of at least 6 or more office parties of 10 to 30 people and umpteen " illegal family/ friends parties over Christmas new year!....... and before
Again you just ignore the points raised because you have no answer for them. It’s what you do, talk nonsense and waffle and refuse to debate, Then post opinions as fact, if someone challenges you you waffle and repeat the cycle. You don’t like your opinions challenged, but hey ho that’s your choice. As long as you post your opinions as facts I will continue to challenge them
I see another video has come out of partying by the Toriies during lockdown and still some people try to defend it, how gullible they must be. To make matters worse apparently some that were on the tape are also on Boris’ leaving honours list.
I’ve not seen anyone defending it What they did was against the stupid and draconian rules that they themselves imposed on the British public For all the ‘parties’ in Whitehall and glasses of wine and slices of cake, plus the Labour Party leadership having a curry and beers when we were supposed to be in lockdown, I get the distinct impression that they all knew it was a load of nonsense and that masks and social distancing made no difference, so they all carried on as normal because there was no risk. We’ve been taken for mugs while crashing our abd the worlds economies because of scientists predictably getting it 100% wrong, yet again. But never again will this be allowed to happen, as the public won’t stand for it, no matter how much the global elite including Sunak and Blair want to sign us up to the WHO future pandemic world plan. They can sign whatever they like but they can’t control 70 million people
A lot of people were at it I took 3 doses of the vaccine but I strongly objected to masks and social distancing and the vast profiteering that the big supermarkets got away with when people had no choice It was all a sick joke
I just hope we don’t get to test your theory anytime soon, I hope it’ll be another 100 or so years before another pandemic strikes, I fear it may be a lot sooner.
Depends on the virus testing that China and the American pharmaceutical companies want to do in future and how it’s regulated Because that was the cause of Covid imho Both are guilty of grosser than gross misconduct And they’re still getting away with it now and will never face the justice they should And the irony is that the big American pharma companies then went on to naks billions out of everyone else’s misery, when they were probably the culprits
Only when control of the people is required...won't happen again in our lifetime IMO....As Ian Hunter once sung "Once bitten twice shy" although doesn't stop the gullible sucking into it!! Dodgy vaccines uhh!!
cant agree to much with this statement Angelic, it was dealing with an unknown ... insomuch as the scientists can only follow their instinct or the result of their first test [trial/ attempt /etc] usually there is a quite a time to get it right early predictions were jab in less than ten years!!!! nothing known would be /was the answer so needed something new. AND TO BE FAIR in less then 10 month's there was a vaccine!!!!!! hows do you stop the spread .. take flu/ seriously bad cold .. what is the answer to that .... unless flu jabbed! .. couple paracetamols and stay home in bed for a couple days dont go to work and spread it!! Covid was deemed a viciuos reincarnation that actully killed and spread quite easily ..... so isolate! Granted movements and groups were less regulated after 6 months but in all honesty, watching the spikes as the erjit few took no notice, in the arly months, regulating as was, was likely a safer bet whilst they continued to work on the medicial answer to protect. you can have a flu jab and still suffer from it ... however how bad would it have been if you were not jabbed? Flu killed 000's every winter before Covid
Dodgy? well cant disagree to a point as i refused to have the new one in favour of one I had had before. VidPrevtyn Beta COVID-19 booster vaccine, was the one I refused... made by SANOFI in conjunction with GSK, 5ml as opposed to the 3ml I had with Pfizer. I always avoid BETA .........a stage of development in which a product is nearly complete but not yet ready for release! USED ON GUINEA PIGS!!!!!!
But one knows what they are doing and a lot of the mandated laws were totally wrong The NHS pushed patients back into Care Homes after hospital visits at the start of Covid which killed thousands of old people We and the government turn to the experts in their field in times of need and they invariably get it 100% wrong every time From Whitty and Harries to the WHO and not forgetting the good old Bank of England, who continued to print money we didn’t have for years and years instead of raising interest rates gently once a year None of them are worth a Carrot Whether it’s bowing to world body authorities or sheer incompetence and lack of common sense, I’m not sure
