Remember, if you want to have any kind of political discussion, if you want to talk about how things work or why decisions are made, you're a 'Boris Defender' Make sure you're on the right side of history by endlessly repeating Twitter **** hot takes or the headlines from Guardian articles - be sure not to read them though, we can't have context - and screaming 24/7 about a bloke who isn't even an MP any more like he's the Boogeyman. That's definitely what any right thinking adult should be doing. It's the only way to make things better - have the shallowest understanding possible and treat it like supporting a football team.
He's run away from every mess he's ever created, the Harry Redknapp of politics. Expect a dawn raid sometime soon ... ... probably the Child Support Agency
Excellent post marra,broadly speaking the same narrative I’ve experienced through the years,apart from voting for the Lib Dem’s,I can’t vote for anyone but Labour (apologies for my blind faith) but that won’t be happening anytime soon as the party has become detached from the working class people and full of frauds
No apologies needed mate. The Labour party have been unrecognisable, to me anyway, for a long time. My thoughts on the current lot, and their behaviour, are well known on this thread. It is a party in need of some serious overhaul in my opinion. There are some green shoots there. There are also some very decent Labour politicians. Had Lisa Nandy got the leadership gig in 2020 I suspect Labour would be far more credible now, but Starmers pledges, undeliverable as they were, won the day. Reeves is starting to impress me too. At some point the Labour party will have a female leader, and one of those two may be just the thing Labour needs.
Agree. Just hope they are listened to. The front bench, in my opinion, are really limited bar one or two exceptions. I predict two terms from them, first one blaming the tories, second one blaming the tories some more. We will get some progress on a green agenda. We wont get any on social care. Education will be overlooked. We will still be bemoaning Brexit because that wont be improved. They will keep the economy on the current upward curve. They will spend on the NHS, just hope they avoid PFI that Blair and Brown relied on so heavily, as that is a continuing problem. Starmer, may last 2 years, or may last 5 years. I have a feeling once they are in power the old promises will be remembered. All in all, I am very optimistic about the future Maybe, just maybe, in 10 years the party promising a re-entry to the EU will win power.
I’m definitely not firmly in a party. Family history in Labour but the old labour thinking of all services state run and owned I don’t buy but it’s marginally better than multi millionaire shareholder’s ripping off our people. I have a soft spot for social enterprise which mostly feels like an ethical middle ground. Either capitalism has to have strong fair regulation or we change it. Struggle that people make profit out of natural resources. It’s weird. Like self harm. I’m firmly anti Tory because i don’t think it’s a caring ideology and it’s intrinsically selfish and unequal - most Tory voters I’ve met are full of disdain not humanitarianism. I have voted Liberal and Green. It’s a tight two horse race here where I am so I’ll likely go Labour in the generals but begrudgingly. The best thing for me would be hung with the concession of electoral reform, greener policies and a better social contract given to the Greens, SNP and Liberals.
I think we might have lost the traditional definition of conservatism. For me there is some very useful concepts in the original view. I suspect, probably rightly, we have beem blinded by the last 30 or 40 years. I wonder really how many modern politicians understand their party history. Cons have shown they dont in my opinion. Starmer is openly saying he is not worried if people see him as a conservative. I think only Ed Davey represents a traditional political ideology as a Liberal. Starmer doesnt seem very labour and Sunak doesnt seem very conservative. Too many politiicians, in my opinion, are in it for reasons not borne out of ideology. I think the demise of the Liberals, of their own making by the way, has contributed to a disfunctional political debate.
It's got to evolve. The electorate is at the end of its tether with the lot of them. The talent has never been poorer but the level of privilege has never been higher.
Probably. There is an interestimg article in the Guardian (of all places) today outlining the Starmer machine and its changeability from what he promised to now what he is enforcing. He is has become so hypocritical it is maddening. You have to wonder how long people like Cooper and Burnham will be so willing to keep their head down. Until they have are in power is my suggestion, then the fighting will commence. What Starmer is doing is not evolutionary at all. What the tories have done is a terrible afront. The question really is who wants to break the cycle. We have gone from poor tory to poor labout and back again for years. I see no end in sight if Starmer is the answer.
Agreed. They'll openly be at each other's throats within a week. A lot of people desperate to see the back of the Tories have chosen to ignore the damage Labour did to itself in opposition but there'll be no hiding from it when they're in power.
The sooner we get rid of these tory cronies the better. Labour is the best alternative for a reset of values and decency.
