My point is there is just more than 1 enquiry going on about the same thing .. THESE are driven by individuals that are looking for personal answers. They are all [ mostly all ] asking for the same access to to information that other enquiries are / have used. A major enquiry by an independant body is already looking into and what could have been done differently or should form the basis of a future protocol. Similar enquiries in the past have led to protocols that are now followed with outbreaks of a number of the deadly diseases that come out of Africa [ and elsewhere ]. None of these diseases at their heights / first appearances had individual enquiries endeavouring to apportion blame on individuals or .gov's Some of these enquiries are politically driven! It is wrong to blame the errors made in the heat of the moment when nothing is known of the consequences of the unfolding problem / disease. When 4+ billion face masks are needed and the worlds annual production is less than that then there will be "anything is better than nothing" scenario. The Health authorities and . gov and independant health professors all stated a simple face mask can be made from ... and many many people all over the country went into production making them [ not in vast numbers but in maybe +/- 100's. My Scottish cousin, sold them for £3 ... but everyone sold 1 was donated to local care homes / clinics think she made over 500 at last count in 2020. the purchase of "the wrong" PPE at the outbreak was an error, and it was later proved that the breathing out of the virus was more dangerous than breathing in! And as for the other "wrong" PPE arguments are still stating it was wrong stuff but would have afforded a protection of sorts! These enquiries all seem to have a trend ... why did my ...... die? ............ = because those trying to work out the best way forward didnt do their job! And drifts along the lines AT SOME POINT, of I couldnt be there because so and so didnt follow the rules!
just read through some of the BBC report on the ensuing major inquiry .... comments coloured thus are power points IMO. My comments in italics One senior public health official, who played a key role in the pandemic and is due to give evidence, says it is hard to see how the first lockdown could have been avoided once the virus was here. Put simply: "We did not know what we were dealing with [# in following text is this statement repeated ]." But after the first wave was over and scientists understood more, the government should not have been so quick to reimpose restrictions. After the first wave it became multi faceted, the actions taken at the first tranche was certainly "effective" bearing in mind # , in one respect, it did not suit everyone as many took "hindsight umbrage" at their own case and felt hard done by? Were they [ .GOV ] to quick to reimpose or to quick to drop the guard. bearing in mind the disease was supposed to have a infection period of 10 days or so... would an extra 10 days have helped? There was without doubt a number of issues that were applicable to different segments of the population, so # did not help. Lobby Akinnola had been due to return to his family home in Royal Leamington Spa, Warkwickshire, to celebrate his 29th birthday when lockdown began in March 2020. Instead, he stayed at home, in London, apart from his parents and four siblings. A month later, his father, Femi, was dead. "It changed my life forever," Lobby says. "He was isolating in the living room of our home and that's where he died. He was 60 and fit and healthy. We never expected him to die." For him, the key question is: How can we better protect people when there is another pandemic? Unsure when first lockdown was first muted but it stated was going to happen and for how long the the "first period might last " #. When was Lobby's birthday? last few days of March? or April or...? There was plenty of warnings and people were clearing bog rolls and pasta from supermarket shelves as well as 10 trays of chicken portions from Tesco Brislington!! It is sad his dad died, as it is when anyone does,but apparently he was not in a hospital and maybe his death was not related to covid? [ althoughmay have had it on DC.] But was some weeks after 23/3/2020... just saying! whether his choice was not to go home before LD started is his decision whether it was a factor? But yes the Q asked will come anyway with this inquiry. As restrictions were imposed on the UK, at the start of the pandemic, the government's chief medical adviser, Prof Sir Chris Whitty, warned about the indirect costs. # and they have been huge. So a crucial element of the inquiry must be to look at why the government imposed restrictions - and whether they were always necessary, bearing in mind # One senior public health official, who played a key role in the pandemic and is due to give evidence, says it is hard to see how the first lockdown could have been avoided once the virus was here. Put simply: "We did not know what we were dealing with." But after the first wave was over and scientists understood more, the government should not have been so quick to reimpose restrictions. this is from first paragraph naming the "expert" so resonse is above. In one 80-day period during autumn 2020, England went from few restrictions, to the "rule of six" limit to gatherings, tiered levels of restrictions by region, a national lockdown and back to tiers. "We had so many rules and regulations people could not keep up," the official, who asked not to be named because of rules on what they can say in public ahead of the inquiry, says. "It was very top down and heavy handed. It goes against all the evidence of what works during disasters." So they want to know: How did the UK get to have such complex and confusing rules? this is one thing that needs to be addressed and was actually addressed in parts during the implementations, it tried to cover all aspects age/ jobs/ health etc etc's.Whether it was heavy handed or not it attempted avert disasters [ # ] that became more apparent as HINDSIGHT CLICKED IN and the picture could be seen in its completed form. Already a new agenda of future actions has been subscibed to and is being modified as more hindsight observations are added to the mix. For Association of Directors of Public Health president Prof Jim McManus, it comes down one basic question: How do we avoid lockdowns in future pandemics? "We will only do that if we are better prepared, act at the earliest stage and have good testing and contact tracing in place," he says. ....! Answers his own Q! unfortunately will we ever be able to be prepared for what comes next .... "we have a plan! ... but do we? About 40% of Covid deaths in the first few months were in care homes, as the lack of testing and personal protective equipment (PPE), heavy use of agency staff and decision to transfer, en masse, hospital patients to care homes let the virus rip through the sector. This was a seriously bad action by the NHS which exasperated thesituation...... our local care home [ of which I have inside knowledge ] had 4 patients that were in hospital for illnesses for things the home couldnt treat, The home lost 2 of them, but isolation was very difficult, they did have PPE as they sourced their own in stock ans wwere able to with staff help maintain a very successful record And NHS workers want the role of austerity during the 2010s examined. Unfortunately you cant individually apportion austerity, EVERYONE, had to be part of it or it would lead to "please sir we will stike or cause chaos if we dont get what they get. Austerity was a necessary evil and bravo the .gov that saw it through. WHY WSAS IT NECESSARY... well history books tell the story of how the outgoiung .gove left a debt so big it was necessary to do something to stop it getting bigger with £trn's of interest charges! Some say the inquiry could well last five years. The inquiry team says recommendations will begin next year, as it is being broken down into six different modules. 1200 days 4x the length of the worse period of COVID .........REALLY WHAT A COST
Not reading all that bollocks obviously but a serious adult inquiry should have started some time ago but glad it’s finally happening. Johnson, Hancock, Mone and others deserve lengthy prison sentences but I doubt that will happen. Chances are the fat charlatan’s time in politics is now over as a small consolation.
Not reading all that bollocks obviously Thank goodness for that, It was hoped / expected that you wouldnt read it, in fact it is hoped that you dont, as a lot of your comments are very poorly researched and I dont have the time to redress them for you, far more important things to do, than spend time on the real pertinent points you miss or have problems interpreting.. have a nice day now the rain has stopped
to be honest, I thought that a lock down should have been more intense! All shops and businesses that were not 100% necessary should have been shut, employees stay at home 10 days, closed thursday night and more necessary ones allowed to reopen tuesday on the 11th day, only emergency and NHS to be open. Bread and Milk the only items that maybe needed addressing... I know seems impractical but most people have fridge/freezer andmost people werewell over stocked with other foods etc anyway???
Many believe in Italy that the reason there were so many deaths amongst the elderly was to do with the flu jab.. The body over reacting causing respiratory issues with the Covid virus (in simple terms).. Bit like the advice not to take Ibuprofen which apparently did the same thing... I never had any jab for anything, touch wood, I didn't get any of it!!
the main thing was keeping clear of it! I had the jabs ..age.. wife had them worked in care home. People had jab and thought they were untouchable.. I HAVE A VERY SAD STORY ABOUT ONE OF THESE UNTOUCHABLES ... he thought he was invincible ... used to use sanitizer/ masks keep 2m .,,, then had jab no sanitizer, no mask, no 2m and was 40 years old [ ish ] thought it/he was OK was now back to 2019!!!!! ....... only 4 went to his funeral at start of 2021.... Q would be how many did he take with him or make having to suffer with Covid?
oh had my booster Friday wanted to give me something starting with a V ............... BETA! I said NO she gave me somepaper work folded soas to only read a couple paragraphs... saying was anew one .. would I fill in and give feed back over x number weeks how I felt got on etc ... I said BETA no thanks to many friends and neighbours have been seriosly ill and a local chemist wont give and recommends not to Had th pfizer 3ml not 5ml of the BETA
The lockdowns did more harm than good IMO....Long term......equals more deaths, more mental health issues, more medical issues, financial issues, education issues etc......I did say at the time, the whole scenario was ridiculous.. The scaremongering surrounding it all was a complete joke.....
The Government managed to scare and fool an awful lot of people with information from ‘experts’ who knew absolutely nothing The plus side is that people will never fall for the bullshit again and any attempts at a future lockdown would be roundly ignored
But also the dreadful mainstream media added so much fuel to the fire, the mass/gullible panicked.. Government it seems couldn’t take the risk but to show they were taking action..
It’s probably best to wait until the enquiry has had the opportunity to look at all the facts before jumping to conclusions based on hearsay and speculation.
Agreed The BBC and Sky News were the worst !! Sky were also massive supporters of BLM until they realised the whole world had fallen for what was basically a scam I never agreed with either campaign
Surely they’ll have more facts than most. For a start they’ll have details of what the government did, what information they had and the rationale behind the decisions they made. The information they’ll have won’t be available to anyone else. Look at how the government are trying to block them seeing all the WhatsApp messages, there’s no way anyone else will be able to see the level of detail they’re going to have.
just a little help with inquiry v enquiry......... In British English, inquiry means a formal investigation, of the type carried out by government, police, scientists or an official organization. Enquiry has the same meaning, but it is reserved for less formal investigations. For example, you might see an enquiry desk at a library, or you might make an enquiry (ask) if someone is feeling well. The same rule applies for the verbs inquire and enquire. You use inquire for formal investigations, whereas enquire is used for less formal investigations.
