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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    Those making the money were connected to Tories that’s how
     
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    I know marra,i do remember Nationalisation it does have its problems and difficulties and I’m all for private companies who offer great services,we all do(although some people won’t admit it) but in my opinion all our utilities, aspects of running a household should never be open to financial abuse and profit, i know that sounds ideologically difficult but it’s just my personal opinion
     
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    Consultants fees, extra cost for binning off work already in progress, and of course the desperation premium.

    Although if we hadn't poured money at it, that would be used as a stick to beat them with as well. The complete politicization of COVID which started very early on was the cause of most of these problems, and is still causing problems now across the world.
     
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  4. Pure River Slut

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    You can invest in a not for profit competitor
     
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    Rishi’s grand plan to house asylum seekers on ships appears to be hitting the rocks now. I mean what kind of council would want this on their doorstop?

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  6. The Exile II

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    Tbf I'm all for sitting these things in areas where they don't think illegal immigration is an issue and are happy to make their mouths go about something they have no experience of.
     
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    In utilities?
     
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    Well he did say he would "Stop The Boats" :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    Isn't rail organised on a franchise system, which has to be renewed every few years?

    All a Labour government would have to do is wait for a franchise to end, and take that part back under state control. Would cost nowt to do. Bit by bit rail would return to state ownership.
     
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    It may not be any consolation, but mistakes on this were made Worldwide.
    The panic to lay hands on supplies of PPE made for a manic application of The Law of Supply and Demand.

    My favourite example was from The USofA.

    The Chinese were of course the first to discover that they had a problem
    Before any other country realised the implications, China bought masses of PPE supplies from the Americans, who seened glad to get rid their stockpiles. They got this at bargain basement prices, according to press reports.
    Then the sh1t hit the fan, world-wide, and everybody, including our American cousins went hunting for stocks of PPE.
    The Chinese Government were happy to sell some of the stock they had bought originaly from America, back to America, but at a vastly higher price..
     
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    A bargain in that case — I thought it was £35 billion ?
     
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    Why is EDF cheaper in France ?

    The big difference from Britain is that the French government forces majority state-owned monopoly producer EDF to offer more than a quarter of its production to suppliers at a huge discount on the current wholesale price.

    Train franchises here already have state intervention so they could do the same.

    The only way I’d argue that we improve our environment. Capitalism overall will never care beyond the shareholders maximising investment without intervention.
     
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    It was upto £35bn I believe, that £13.5bn was the first year only so I’m being generous :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    Fair pint about the availability
     
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    So what costs would we be taking on, and how would that trickle down to prices? Remember we're constantly told that nationalising will definitely result in better service for lower fares.

    These ideas need to be thought all the way through to the end, but the politicians don't want us doing that. Why?
     
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    I’m not against capitalism in certain areas but can’t argue with your very good post :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    Gary Lineker’s back garden,probably big enough <whistle>
     
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    For a man, accusing everyone else of either lying or judging him without evidence he seems quite comfortable to repeatedly do that himself.

    His 'It's a frame up, everyone else is to blame but me' letter he tells umpteen lies and makes claims witout a shred of evidence.

    This committee can't drive him out of parliment or force him to quit.

    He certainly does have formal ability to challenge everything they say.

    He's not being forced out by a tiny handful of people, he could easily stand up in parliment and explain to his massive Tory majority.

    The committee are not using their powers to mount what is plainly a political hitjob on someone they oppose.


    They didn't mount anything, they, including fellow Tories, were set up as a committee.


    I have received a letter from the Privileges Committee making it clear - much to my amazement - that they are determined to use the proceedings against me to drive me out of parliament.

    They have still not produced a shred of evidence that I knowingly or recklessly misled the Commons.


    They know perfectly well that when I spoke in the Commons I was saying what I believed sincerely to be true and what I had been briefed to say, like any other minister. They know that I corrected the record as soon as possible; and they know that I and every other senior official and minister - including the current Prime Minister and then occupant of the same building, Rishi Sunak - believed that we were working lawfully together.

    I have been an MP since 2001. I take my responsibilities seriously. I did not lie, and I believe that in their hearts the Committee know it. But they have wilfully chosen to ignore the truth because from the outset their purpose has not been to discover the truth, or genuinely to understand what was in my mind when I spoke in the Commons.

    Their purpose from the beginning has been to find me guilty, regardless of the facts. This is the very definition of a kangaroo court.

    Most members of the Committee - especially the chair - had already expressed deeply prejudicial remarks about my guilt before they had even seen the evidence. They should have recused themselves.

    Sadly, as we saw in July last year, there are currently some Tory MPs who share that view. I am not alone in thinking that there is a witch hunt underway, to take revenge for Brexit and ultimately to reverse the 2016 referendum result.
    My removal is the necessary first step, and I believe there has been a concerted attempt to bring it about. I am afraid I no longer believe that it is any coincidence that Sue Gray - who investigated gatherings in Number 10 - is now the chief of staff designate of the Labour leader.

    Nor do I believe that it is any coincidence that her supposedly impartial chief counsel, Daniel Stilitz KC, turned out to be a strong Labour supporter who repeatedly tweeted personal attacks on me and the government.

    When I left office last year the government was only a handful of points behind in the polls. That gap has now massively widened.

    Why have we so passively abandoned the prospect of a Free Trade Deal with the US? Why have we junked measures to help people into housing or to scrap EU directives or to promote animal welfare?

    I am now being forced out of parliament by a tiny handful of people, with no evidence to back up their assertions, and without the approval even of Conservative party members let alone the wider electorate.

    I believe that a dangerous and unsettling precedent is being set.

    The Conservative Party has the time to recover its mojo and its ambition and to win the next election. I had looked forward to providing enthusiastic support as a backbench MP. Harriet Harman’s committee has set out to make that objective completely untenable.

    The Committee’s report is riddled with inaccuracies and reeks of prejudice but under their absurd and unjust process I have no formal ability to challenge anything they say.

    The Privileges Committee is there to protect the privileges of parliament. That is a very important job. They should not be using their powers – which have only been very recently designed – to mount what is plainly a political hitjob on someone they oppose.

    It is in no one’s interest, however, that the process the Committee has launched should continue for a single day further.

    So I have today written to my Association in Uxbridge and South Ruislip to say that I am stepping down forthwith and triggering an immediate by-election.

    I am very sorry to leave my wonderful constituency. It has been a huge honour to serve them, both as Mayor and MP.

    It is very sad to be leaving parliament - at least for now - but above all I am bewildered and appalled that I can be forced out, anti-democratically, by a committee chaired and managed, by Harriet Harman, with such egregious bias.
     
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    People might just have an ounce of respect for him if he turned round and said " I am guilty, it's a fair cop". But no, he turns himself inside out denying the patently obvious, and blaming others making himself look even worse. Bit like his sycophantic followers on here and elsewhere. Pathetic tbh.
     
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