I agree, I would too, and expect to face the consequences, which Like you I think should be viewed as you described, that’s not to say though that the right to protest legally should be in any way curtailed.
I’m sorry but you’re totally wrong and it sounds like you back the protesters actions, who, let me repeat in case you didn’t get it on the previous two occasions, are breaking the law by obstructing a highway But that clearly doesn’t matter to you It’s people like you that the vast majority of right minded people think are exactly what’s wrong with our society today
I’m totally for peaceful protest, even your right to say what you think was fought for by previous generations, without people standing up for what they believe in, and sometimes ruffling feathers you wouldn’t even be able to air your opinions. Edit I’ve dealt with the principle and deliberately not attacked you personally, I’d appreciate it if you did the same.
Woke is one of those words that everyone has their own definition of, it’s a non word, it means different things to different people. edit Explain your definition of woke, because I’ve no idea what you are talking about
I get what Ashton is saying and many freedoms that we enjoy today are here now because people took a stand years ago. There are a couple of reality checks needed though; Firstly, the end cause does NOT justify any means taken to achieve it. Secondly, the cause is not automatically ‘right’. Some people think of themselves as morally correct over the ‘establishment’, but when you analyse their demands they are actually far worse than what is currently in place. There are numerous examples - I’ve generalised here.
I completely agree, I’m not for a minute saying I believe every cause is just, but I am saying everyone should be able to peacefully protest for a cause they believe in, who am I to judge what is just or not, that’s my objection to angelic he seems to be saying because he doesn’t think the cause, or the means, is just neither can anyone else.
Again, no one is denying them the chance to protest peacefully But people with jobs to go to, funerals to attend, hospital visits to make, children to pick up etc have a right to use the roads of the UK without trespassers preventing their movements. As I said before, they are welcome to stand on the pavement and scream at traffic 24 hours a day. But they don't. They think being a public nuisance to 99.9999% of the rest of the population and wasting Police time and resources is justifiable In my opinion, it isn't, when no one is denying them their right to protest in a proper fashion.
Protests will often cause disruption and inconvenience, it’s annoying, but worth it to live in a society that allows dissent and protests, the alternative is not a country I’d want ours to become.
More chance of being in court before your sick relative gets seen in hospital. Bloody Tories and Brexit
cant agree with this statement at all. Peaceful protest is not endangering life causing chaos and costing innocent people a lot of hard earned money as for main stream in future really glueing what to what !
I didn’t say the method became mainstream, keep up!!. I don’t agree with glueing themselves to stuff, holding up traffic, but it can’t be said such tactics endanger life. You really aren’t following properly are you?.
What a silly argument, it’s a peaceful protest that doesn’t endanger life, if you think otherwise give me one example where it t has edit you also made a silly point that glueing yourself to something won’t become mainstream, I didn’t mention, nor mean the method, non use of fossil fuels, (the cause), may become mainstream though, as has many things you take for granted has become mainstream because others in the past have used peaceful protests to champion their cause. The ability to have Peaceful protests, often causing disruption , is a major part of our culture. Women’s rights as one example.
You are a real flipper,what you write not meaning what you are thinking and evadeing a real reply that relates to things what you see in print...! 1) the argument / post is about just stop oil protesters ... your quotes, your first one to evade an answer and flip it to avoid a / the response .because you dont have one!
You talk bollocks, you made two points and couldn’t back either up , you do it all the time . You just waffle and talk nonsense I debate with others, they make valid points and put alternatives arguments, you just waffle and don’t understand the argument, and try to pretend you know better, and try to ridicule. You post opinions as facts. They aren’t facts, they are your opinion. Read back through the posts it’s self explanatory, it really isn’t a difficult concept to grasp, if you still don’t get it I give up. if you still don’t get it we’ll just agree to differ.
an example of your waffle, what on earth does this mean. I will do my best to interpret what you are actually saying and try to answer what I think you are saying. peaceful protest is exactly what they do, they are a nuisance they are annoying, but they do engage in peaceful protests, there is no violence involved at all. You may not like what they do but that’s a different point. They do protest peacefully, that’s a fact. I assume the second part of your comment is an attempt at sarcasm, trying to suggest glueing themselves to things is not going to become mainstream. Obviously the point I was making was the green agenda and stoping using oil will become mainstream, ie the massage may become mainstream, not the method they are using.
It always shows when one is losing the argument, they usually try to shout the other down,or start using attempts at sarcasm, derisory remarks ... or bad language or try to flip the Q............. Congratulations your replies tell the story of a loser especially with the flip of ........... is that because after gluing themselves down they need one to get the circulation going again???
really ?peacefully.... definition... in a way that does not involve violence: The protest march went off peacefully with only two arrests. The pop festival passed off peacefully, despite the fears of local residents. It is being seen as a last-ditch attempt to resolve the crisis peacefully. Everyone has the right to demonstrate peacefully. your definition of peacefully is based on the fact they do not cause problems outside of a calm presentation that does not affect others..when 30 or so protestors cause chaos to 1000'sof others you can hardly call that peaceful... if it was legally deemed peaceful there would not be any damage and certainly not 10's of arrest... here is 3 EXAMPLESOF PEACEFUL PROTEST................ Four activists were glued to the top of an Eddie Stobart fuel tanker at the junction, which feeds traffic from west London on and off the M4. Off the side of the articulated lorry they had draped flags reading: “Just Stop Oil.” Just Stop Oil have climbed overhead gantries on the M25 for the fourth day in a row, causing travel chaos for commuters. The motorway was closed in a number of locations. Traffic was blocked both ways between junction 15-16 and at junction 25 in Hertfordshire, between junctions 7 and 8 in Surrey, and at junction 28 in Enfield. Police arrested 35 people at climate protests which saw two petrol stations on the M25 blocked by activists. Just Stop Oil said 35 supporters blocked petrol stations at Cobham and Clacket Lane services in Surrey. The action began at 07:00 BST with activists saying they had vandalised petrol pumps by smashing display glass and spraying them with paint. Protesters were held on suspicion of conspiracy to commit criminal damage and aggravated trespass, police said. Protesters had glued themselves to pumps and signs on the forecourts. One was glued to the top of a lorry. Surrey police and crime commissioner, Lisa Townsend, said: "We have seen damage caused and disruption to ordinary people's lives in the name of protest. "The selfish actions of these protesters are completely unacceptable." She added: "The right to peaceful and lawful protest is important in a democratic society but the actions this morning step far beyond what is acceptable." stopping emergency vehicles and refusing /unable to move incidents on following dates ..just some of them..... blue lights! April 27th .. Oct 11th .. Oct 14th .. Oct 25th and there is plenty more April 5th ... 7 CONVICTED after stopping and refusing to let a ambulance with a 90 year old lady being taken to hospital May 1, 2023 ... The woman in the ambulance died en route to the hospital. When asked why they didn't move they said the ambulance should have said it was an emergency !!! The danger to life I will leave up to those that wish to apportion it as a live danger to life/ limb or just fun gimmick that has no danger attached to themselves or others wonderfully peaceful
