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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure why he'd do that.

    I know the bloke is a bit of a knacker but don't see how he's worse than all the other donors of whichever party ...

    ... surely every one of them wants the recipient to do things the way they'd like to see them done.

    Otherwise why give to that particular party.
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

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    He's certainly no Christopher Harborne <laugh>
     
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  3. FellTop

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    Because Starmer has very openly criticised Just Stop Oil. He states they are wrong and arrogant. People are asking whether he is pandering to them over north sea oil and his commitments there. He doesnt need the money to win the election, so refuse the money from a group he calls wrong and stupid, it will be a good look for him, and give him some credibility. The just stop oil lot, as far as I can tell, are becoming very unpopular with people trying to crack on with their lives, or who want to enjoy sporting events. Take away the unnecessary connection. Starmer talks about bringing principle and decency back to politics, small chance here to back up words with actions.

    Before anyone says the tories are worse. I know! Doesnt mean I just accept Labour because they are less worse.
     
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  4. Smug in Boots

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    You might be stretching that a bit to be fair.

    As far as I recall he was criticising the Stop Oil activists who tried to destroy artworks.
     
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  5. FellTop

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    He was on a radio show at some point criticising them. Was very strong on it. Called them wrong. It was specifically after some blocked a road if memory serves. I remember it because he talked about ambulances being blocked and how his mum had been ill and if they stopped her getting to hospital they wouldnt have been able to look at him. Or words to that effect.
     
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  6. Smug in Boots

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    I've no doubt he's criticised the more radical activists ...

    ... that doesn't mean he's totally against preventing climate change or ideals of the donor.
     
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  7. FellTop

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    The deal with the US Sunak has done seems positive. In other times he may well have been a very decent prime minister this fella. Makes things happen without any fuss. Pragmatic seems a good word for him. Sadly what has gone before is a millstone round his neck. The conservative party could do much worse than keep him as their leader once Labour are in. They need a semblance of intelligence leading them, sadly he probably is a threat to too many so will be relegated to the back benches.
     
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    Huge corruption when he was chancellor. The best think the Conservatives could do is **** off anyone tarnished by this spell in power.
     
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    I am sure he isnt. My point is whether it is a good look to take donations from somebody who funds these protests he is so critical of. He can do what he likes to be honest, he is the next PM by default, the country is rightly getting shot of the tories and that means he is the beneficiary. Just seems to me at most turns he opts for the route less becoming of the politician he told us he was a year or more ago. Power already going to his head maybe. Would like to be wrong about what is coming our way, and I often am so ignore me.
     
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  10. Smug in Boots

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    Too many enemies and too much baggage.

    I see it exactly the opposite to you, I think he's being made to look better because of what has gone before.

    He's presiding over a Covid scandal, endless strikes, horrendous inflation, infighting, ineffective Home Secretary, failing Brexit, etc etc etc. It's only because Truss and Johnson were so chaotic that makes Sunak look steady imo.
     
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    Fair enough, opinions and all that.

    He has solved some very complex things in my opinion. He is unpicking the lunacy of Truss and Kwarteng. It isnt an overnight fix though. In my opinion he is putting some foundations back in place that will give Labour less to do. Of course he is remedying what has gone before and of course it is the worst govt we have had in my lifetime. Useful deals like todays are welcome steps forward though, and I would rather take the chinks of light when they arrive than only see bad. I wouldnt sleep if I couldnt see the little wins when they come. Economically these deals are important, they need to be done, he is doing them, and if pragmatism is a useful skill he is doing ok. In a world where we chose Brexit there is no good deal. Anyone believinf the labour story they will do it better are in cloud cukoo land in my opinion. There is only bad Brexit, no good one, for me anyway.

    Signing off for now. My lad is playing guitar up next and I have had a couple of jars, and planning a few more.
     
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    It's a step in the right direction for certain.

    He seems a lot more pragmatic that his predecessors in terms of getting things done. Can you get a trade deal? No? What can you get that might lead to one eventually?
     
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    The sooner they are out of power the better. Sunak has failed to deliver on the 2019 manifesto, parties in a complete mess and the infighting is escalating
     
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    They're barely even bothering to hide it now ...

    ... what an absolute shambles of a government.
     
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    The Liar is really sticking the boot in now, but I think he's been sidelined and lost, he is now no longer relevant and the tories hope they've moved on. Unfortunately he and Truss have wrecked sunak chances of being a possible great leader.
     
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    Thing is, you'll never get rid of fictionalism within any organisation. It exists everywhere from political parties, to trade unions, even to church parish councils FFS. It's how leaders deal with the factions that matter.

    Starmer is acting from a position of strength and is keeping his internal opponents in line, so while we hear their murmurings of discontent there's not much they can do to oppose him.

    Sunak holds a weak position. His opponents are driving policy in certain areas, ensuring they have their people in top positions, and undermining him at every opportunity.
     
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    Is he the bloke who gave Bonko £1m and got an £80m MoD contract?
     
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    Surely this never happened
     
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    He's a crook, plain and simple.

    But just like Johnson and Trump he blusters, dodges and smokescreens so always tries to stay one step ahead of legal consequences.

    He gave Boris Johnson £1m to pass on, not directly to the Tory party. That's the biggest ever single donation ... why? He almost totally funded the Brexit party despite being based in Thailand, taking Thai nationality and using a false name. He's a Crypto currency dealer/money launderer who trades in private jets and doesn't contribute to the UK, doesn't employ people ... I doubt he pays tax here, if anywhere.

    It's impossible to know why a Thailand based money shuffler, working under a pseudonym, was so desperate to get Britain out of Europe.

    And yes, he was immediately given an £80m MOD contract ...

    ... he's had the money but not delivered the goods although, like PPE, it probably wouldn't be fit for purpose if it was. This deal was hidden behind a company he owns but pretends not to.

    Boris's other pal was given a £200m PPE contract, millions of gowns were unusable.
     
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