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Thomas Frank & Johan Lange (& Fabio Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Your Preference For Ange’s Replacement

  1. Thomas Frank

  2. Andoni Iraola

  3. Simone Inzaghi

  4. Marco Silva

  5. Roberto Di Zerbi

  6. Other (state in comments)

  7. Oliver Glasner

  8. Xavi

  9. Mauricio Pochettino

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  1. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    We shall see, I hope he falls on his arse personally. He's never been in what would be considered a good league, but his record looks pretty good when you use the adage "you can only beat what's in front of you".
     
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  2. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    I will be objectively be applying my pattern thesis to him.
    Season 1 is steady the ship, acclimatise the squad to
    your intended style of play.
    Season 2 : obvious onwards and upwards.
     
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  3. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    Hardcore Pep :

     
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  4. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    Fortunately for him, the Spanners allow that adage
    to be proved at least twice a season.
     
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  5. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    how come you've only done 1 double over us in 10 years then?
     
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  6. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    What two games each season other
    than their "cup finals" are the
    Spanners going to turn up for ??
     
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  7. Spurf

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    This reminds me of the Fred Astaire joke. Fred was a fantastic dancer but was he even as good as Ginger Rogers who did the same steps but backwards.

    You can also argue that it must be easier to play better football if your players are better. All this talk of what leagues he has been is just that ..........talk. The media has to make something up to talk about. We know he can manage a football team because he's done it for years. What's the difference at Spurs? Oh it's a big club! Celtic is a bigger club he managed that alight. Managing millionaires? Yes that is different, but he's Australian AND Greek and that's a pretty powerful combination, neither country specialises in shrinking violets.
     
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  8. The Huddlefro

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    His success will depend on our recruitment and the leeway he is given to deal with the squad as he sees fit. Poch was able to excommunicate several senior players. If Ange turns around and says he doesn’t fancy Hojbjerg, for example, what will the club say? Or maybe he looks at Sonny and sees that he prefers to play inside the pitch and run into space rather than wide and beat his man, and decides that’s not what he wants from his man? Or if he decides some of the players we’ve invested heavily in for past managers aren’t for him?

    He’s very much a known quantity in terms of his personality. Definitely no shrinking violet, even a few minutes on the internet will show you that. Not to mention Scott Munn knows him. So I can’t think that the club don’t know the potential for him to kick up a fuss. But the most important thing is to let him get on with it and to get him the kind of players he wants.
     
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  9. LockStock

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    Interesting watch this.

    I think he could actually work wonders with our squad, especially considering all of the talent on loan that have been rejected by previous managers. Some of them may be very well suited to his system.

    We can't say he hasn't got options.

    Obviously a couple of new additions will be necessary, as well as some outgoings. Let's hope this Beyonce money can go some way to making up for a poor finishing position's prize money.
     
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  10. littleDinosaurLuke

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    I think Beyoncé could replace Harry Kane
     
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  11. PleaseNotPoll

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    You couldn't persuade her to play at Old Trafford, either.
     
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  12. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    John Kennedy’s asked to leave Celtic to join Ange according to Scottish based journo, Stephen McGowan.
     
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  13. Citizen Kane.

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    I fear it may take longer than his first season to acclimatise the squad, especially if Kane is leaving.

    Comments from Mason toward the end of the season as well as senior players made it clear that the defensive nonsense we've suffered for 4 seasons is so deeply ingrained into the squad's psyche, it will take a good while to unravel the mess.

    This, combined with the sheer volume of expected incomings and outgoings in the window, means I expect a two season transition to being acclimatised, and build upward from there.

    I see parallels to Poch's first season here, especially if Kane leaves. Star player recently departed, no other truly outstanding players in the squad, a crop of youngsters who are promising but inexperienced, and a disillusioned fanbase. The Poch "system" didn't really get going until midway through his second season, which after the halfway point included a run of 1 defeat in 14 games to move us into 2nd place. Our progress that season was massively over hyped by the 'title challenge', which let's be honest only came about due to the usual teams being so crap. Our points tally that season was decidedly low for a team that supposedly challenged for the title. 70 points often isn't even enough for top 4, yet we finished 3rd. So a bizarre season disguised the fact that we were still a work in progress.

    Then we really hit our stride in Season 3 with a genuinely superb team playing fantastic football and a proper title challenge with a points tally that smashed previous records.
     
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  14. The Huddlefro

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    Absolutely correct. There is an awful lot of work to do on this squad quite aside from the Kane (and to a lesser extent, Son) question. Between that and the actual training side of things, it’s going to take a season. One of the only good things about being out of Europe for a transitional season is that Ange and his team will have more time on the training ground with the players to really drill them.
     
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  15. PleaseNotPoll

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    Tell him not to drive past any book depositories...
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    WindyCOYS has gone over the squad and...oof



    The reality is that we need to look at the squad in a couple of phases: ones to replace/upgrade this summer, and ones to retain for a degree of continuity going into the new season who may well be moved on next summer

    Case in point, Hojbjerg is the easiest of our non-loaned CMs to improve upon - and yet he's absolutely a player who should be retained for that first season. Similar can be said for the likes of Davies and Emerson, and I'm tempted to add Forster to that list as well given we'll likely be signing a starting keeper (and, technically, an argument could be made for Dier on these grounds, albeit it's hard to not see him demoted to being a squad player)

    The players loaned out for the entirety of the season (barring Udogie, Parrott and Scarlett) would be easier to move on for the lack of continuity they have, even compared to January loans like Gil, as the main advantage they have is they wouldn't have the muscle memory of so much catenaccio compared to some of the squad that were playing in out run-in
     
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    Make sure he doesn't have a batshit insane nephew, either...
     
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  18. Alfie Conn

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    I think this is going to be fun
     
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  19. Spurlock

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    ‘do you want to be a f****** soft team?’

    That’s going to definitely be asked sooner or later

    I hope he gives it to ‘em
     
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  20. Spurlock

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    There's zero tolerance for players that don't want to follow. We were never made to feel comfortable, we were always pushing to be better, always developing, always working harder than any group I've experienced before.

    "It didn't matter if you were the biggest player in the dressing room or the youngest - if you weren't pulling your weight or following his principles, he was very ruthless."

    "Ange really gave the club purpose," explains Dan Orlowitz from the Japan Times.

    "It was a refreshing style of football that the league hadn't really seen. Even when YFM struggled results-wise in 2018 it was very clear that the players and above all Ange believed in what he was doing.

    "The fans believed in him as a result, and over the next year he let go of players who weren't a good fit for the system and brought in players who were a great fit. All of that added up to the triumph of 2019.

    "It was exactly what you've seen at Celtic - not just 11 players, but 11 attackers, a disciplined and fluid build-up from box to box that moved like water and was nigh unstoppable.

    "YFM fans loved it and opposing fans respected it - even when they were on the wrong end - because it was just such a joy to watch."


    Wherever Postecoglou's unique and varied footballing journey has taken him, he has silenced any sceptics.

    He was relatively unknown to Celtic fans when he arrived in Glasgow two years ago.

    But on the day his departure was announced, after winning five of the six domestic trophies available to him, chief executive Michael Nicholson labelled the Australian a "great football manager and a good man".

    "He understands what makes players tick, he commands respect, he has a presence, he's a motivator and he's got a good record in the transfer market," said BBC Sport Scotland's chief sportswriter Tom English.

    "His mantra is 'we never stop'. He's a tough cookie. He's not some kind of Australian Ted Lasso, but he has an inspirational quality - he gets people. He loves a project and building something from the ground up."


    His new boss, chairman Daniel Levy, has already identified Postecoglou's "strong track record of developing players" and "understanding of the importance of the link from the academy".

    That is something Spurs have lacked under previous bosses, with Jose Mourinho and Antonio Conte brought in as "win-now" appointments and in return demanding players of similar ilk.

    Smith, one of 11 players recruited when Postecoglou ruthlessly went about shaping his squad before a first full season at Brisbane, says the Australian never wastes an opportunity to educate players.

    "There is no hiding," adds Smith. "He had an uncanny nature of knowing how to motivate you and saying the right things.

    "His message was always very clear. It was his way, he backed his way and he backed and supported you. He made you feel invincible."
     
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