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2022-23 : that was the season that was

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by The RDBD, May 28, 2023.

  1. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    I've explained this before...I simply think they are doing the right thing in difficult circumstances. If you don’t think 13 consecutive European qualifications is good progress then I am not sure why.
    The only sure fire way to do better is for someone to invest several billion pounds buying the club and making it grow faster.
     
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    Reread my post... I am simply saying that on our main performance indicator we have had a run of 14 consecutive years with the highest average and no really bad years. That measures relative performance not absolute so in NHS terms it would be something like 14 consecutive years of low wait lists and no outliers.
     
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    Well they didn't have much to build on. But they are doing about as well as could be expected.
     
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  4. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    Why do you think that they shouldn’t be doing better?

    we spend more than some teams that are doing better than us

    as things stand
     
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  5. PowerSpurs

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    It would be a weird outcome if each team finished exactly in the spending order each season though. There is plenty of noise....all the big clubs except for City have finished 8th or worse at least once recently.
    What ENIC have done is to catch up on revenue...that wasn't easy given the starting position.
     
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    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    no point in catching up on revenue if you are wasting the revenue due to a lack of understanding and strategy regards the football team

    how are we solving this?

    everyone says ‘get a DOF’

    but Levy won’t stay away

    so what do we do?
     
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  7. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    They've barely done the right thing for about 5 years now though. Even if at times their intent may have been right, it's just been a catastrophe of errors.

    Their decisions over this period have felt winged, very few have felt methodically planned and it's showing. Their most recent disaster being sacking a manager only to leave his assistant in charge who's a poor version of that very manager... then had to turn to the novice ex-player for a second interim stint after sacking said assistant.
     
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  8. PowerSpurs

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    But you have no evidence of that. We do almost exactly as well as our wealth indicates we should. As you should have spotted by now I don't think there is any evidence that more than a handful of coaches have an edge and nor any evidence that any club has a sustainable edge in recruiting. Did Poch do well because he was a great coach or because we signed a top four team for £100m?
     
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    They didn't have much option about sacking Conte after his outburst. I would have put Mason in charge straight away but it's not obvious that would have better.
    Our most successful manager ever was a novice ex player as was Matt Busby.
     
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  10. Billy The Spur

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    They have caught up on revenues but they continue to hire the wrong managers, hire the wrong DOF`s, sign the wrong players and bring in players the manager`s don`t want. They pay top money to bring in top level managers, give them assurances they have no intention of ever keeping and fail to provide the correct tools for them to do their job. They have previous history of failing to push the team on when it was close to achieving something (Redknapp, Poch era`s) and don`t have an urgent desire for sporting ambition. The decision making is comical and this does not go unnoticed in football circles, managers are now aware that accepting the Spurs job will almost certainly be a blot on their reputation, the likes of Mourinho and Conte only joined because they were unemployed and the wages on offer were too good to turn down.
     
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  11. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    But just like Jose’s sacking, they had zero plan what to do once the manager was sacked, they even sacked Jose about a week before a cup final. It took them about 10 days to sack Conte after that outburst too.

    Everything seems impulsive nowadays and it’s killing us. There’s no plan of how to move forward or how to move at all. This team under their stewardship is currently a Kane transfer away from being around West Ham level.
     
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  12. PowerSpurs

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    If any of that was true we would be massively underperforming our financial status which isn't the case.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    In Conte's case it was because he ****ed off out the country

    That being said, the ubermensch wasn't impulsive: his sacking happened to coincide with the exact set of circumstances where an extension to his contract wouldn't be triggered, plus his compensation would be significantly lowered - which does give the feeling the cogs were in motions for several weeks before that point, and it has to be said the likes of Dan KP and Alasdair Gold were definitely priming the fanbase for it so they likely had an inside line 2-3 weeks before
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Conte's speech was post-Southampton. Could've been sacked there and then and used the following international break to find a manager, but nope, we just kept the B-tech version of Conte and binned him a few games later too.

    Cogs were in motion with zero plan... We sacked a guy a week before a cup final after he's won about 15 of 18 finals he's been in, gave Mason the role of interim, then pissed about all summer just to appoint Nuno, this ironically after Levy's message earlier in the summer of losing values and our way etc.
     
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  15. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    And if we won that final he'd have had his contract extended

    Of course, he was always going to win that final. Our form hadn't been complete **** since the semis, and we definitely didn't lose 3-0 to the opponents for that final a few weeks before...
     
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  16. Citizen Kane.

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    It has been the case in three of the last four seasons, albeit not 'massively'. As the 5th strongest club financially, we shouldn't be seeing 6th, 7th and 8th in quick succession.

    Time will tell if this is just a blip or whether a pattern is emerging. I already know which you think it is, and you already know which I think it is, so I'll leave it there.
     
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  17. Citizen Kane.

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    And therefore what? We'd have had to pay him more compensation? So what?

    Once we'd delayed sacking him as long as we did, doing it before that game made no sense and stood to gain us nothing other than approximately a third of what we blew on Richarlison. It simply isn't enough money to justify the lunacy of the decision.
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Yes, we would have had to pay him significantly more compensation. That is exactly "so what"

    You know what else? Our fanbase would likely have lost their **** about us sacking somebody who won a trophy, ignoring the football and results were both **** for a good 3-4 months prior to that final

    And that's before I get to the MouAnon weirdos who likely would have self-immolated on the stadium concourse
     
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  19. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    So? We'd have won a trophy...

    I'm sure the same club happy to spunk £60m on a guy that calls himself the pigeon could've swallowed an extra £10m-£15m in compensation for a bloke winning our first trophy in what would've been about 13 years.
     
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  20. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    If anybody thinks that we would have won in spite being in dreadful form and getting tonked in the dress rehearsal a few weeks before, especially after that Europa League exit and conceding five to Everton in the FA Cup the bloke who is apparently very, very good at winning trophies masterminded, I have a bridge to sell them
     
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