Newey has always stayed ahead with his innovations. Whilst they may take some time to develop, when they are done his cars are pretty much unbeatable. It took him a few years to make Williams front runners again when he joined them in the early stages of their Renualt partnership, he got Mclaren up and running again and has turned Red Bull into world beaters from run-of-the-mill midfielders. That you call him over-rated suggest you really don't know what this guy has achieved in his time in F1. He is possibly one of the best designers ever to have graced F1
He was co-designer at Williams, and they had a huge budget, an already successful car and a strong design team. When he went to McLaren he was completely outdone by Rory Bryne. Newey's innovative designs produced dogs like the MP4-18/19 Red Bull's success is thanks to the 2009 rule changes, and although Newey gets some credit for RB success, Red Bull have a huge budget, and a very strong (and underrated) design team. As I said before, Newey is a great designer - but imo isn't one of the best designers ever.
Colin Chapman is THE best designer ever. Monocoque chassis Aerodynamcis Ground Effect aera Twin chassis concept (harshly banned) Active suspension (he penned it before his death) No one person has changed the scenery of F1 more than him. Byne & Brawn (one alone cannot take full credit) produced nothing new, innovative or exciting that the rest of F1 could latch onto in their time at Ferrari. Brawn has since pionerred the double-diffuser, but as can be seen from Mercedes, has fallen behind after just one year.
have to agree with ASC on this one forza , newey has turned around every team he has ever joined ,and like rory byrne he made a few less competitive cars in his time , but which designer has not done that , as for his williams cars , williams done just about nothing for 3 years before he went there ,in his first year his 1991 car was by far the class of the field if a little bit unreliable at first and but for the freakish senna would probally have cleaned up -- --------- after 1991 we all know the rest - you might be able to think of people better than chapman , byrne and newey , ------ but i am buggered if i can -
I think the bulls will be seeing red up ahead of them next year..... Thats if HRTs paint scheme is red.....
This article here basically says that Red Bull are going to maintain their advantage next year. Jonathan Noble makes these points: Ferrari are trying to copy Red Bull's flexible wing, but the technology is difficult to master. The more time they spend on the FW, the more time they'll spend playing catch-up. Teams could use collector tanks to try and get some exhaust gases down to the floor area. This is why the FIA banned off-throttle blowing for next year. Most teams signed off their fuel tank sizes a month ago. So if they had done that in the belief that they were going to be blowing exhaust gases regularly, then they are going to find out that their fuel tank is too big now for what is going to be needed in 2012. Renault and McLaren are unhappy with the ban, claiming the FIA's rule decision has already hurt their 2012 car designs. The final bit of the article says: Anyone agree with Noble?
Why? The RB7 was built around the EBD - banning this will cause the most damage to Red Bull. Teams might be able to get some performance from the exhaust gasses next year but I doubt it will be as effective as this year - and without off-throttle blowing, there could be issues with stability. Unless Newey finds a new grey area to exploit (and there are no guarantee's of this), how is Newey going to maintain his advantage? As for his comments about Ferrari, they are close to mastering the flexi wing, but still have a few minor issues which shouldn't take long to fix. They aren't going to be far behind because they've been developing the 663 for months now, and they have Lord Byrne working on the car - which puts Ferrari in a very strong position for next year - think about it this way: (if you've ready Harry Potter,) Byrne is like Dumbledore and Newey is Voldemort.
Because Red Bull have a head start! On top of that, I believe Newey to be the best in the business; and although you are correct about Newey's 2011 design being focussed upon the EBD, he knows next year's regulations as well as anyone, and has had the advantage of being able to start work on the 2012 car (and the regulations it needs to comply with) for longer than all of the other leading teams. I hope I'm wrong. I do not want to see one constructor dominating for several years.
Adrian Newey is no chump, i think it's safe to assume that the RB8 will have some "questionable" features, that will end up being proved legal, despite Ferrari and Mclaren's protestations. Oh, and for those who said he's a crap designer, the Leyton House car he designed nearly won at Paul Ricard in the late 80's - early 90's.
The people mentioned here such as Bryne, Chapman and Newey are (were) all exceptional innovators and their job is to look at the rule book and see where they can squeeze an advantage, be it bending the rules or developing something not covered by the regs so I'd expect a strong RBR next year... Saying that, nobody can ever stay on top forever in this sport, dominance can change very quickly, just look at the start of '09. But given the cars that Newey has built... you'd be foolish to not expect the Bulls to be competitive next year. Personally, I don't think (may regret this) we'll see the same level of dominance in 2012, but RBR and Vettel will be in the fight without doubt.
they are using the blown diffuser just as much as mclaren or redbull, its just that they haven't gained as much from it as the two other teams. and as for this whole whos going to be second next year ferrari fans are just going to say ferrari and mclaren fans are going to say mclaren so thats preetymuch a moo point to discuss
Right, i love to be daring, so i'll say Mercedes finish second next year. Haven't got a clue who'll win, but Merc will finish second. They're destined to be runners up, as they have Nico Rosberg driving for them, and he is physically incapable of winning a race.
I understand what you are saying ASC, but have picked out this part of your comment because the whole point about innovation (especially in F1) is that all one is trying to do is to steal a march one one's competitors. All teams will eventually "latch onto" any idea; but the time lag is what matters!
Paddock "whispers" are that Red Bull have tested without EBD's and the time loss is 1.3-1.5s Source I don't know how reliable this guy is but even if this was true, these paddock whispers are usually untrue anyway. I would expect teams to be testing without EBD's in the young driver test.
