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That's your response "and"

I prove you wrong and that's all you can say.

 

Wtf is that about? A shop? Were arent talking about a shop we are talking about whole communities. Im sure there are many catholic owned ships along non contentious routes. What the hell is your point?
And what does it matter if you have been marching them for years, how does that suddenly make them not provocative. They were as provocative back then as they are now.

As to your last point.........???????????? eh, stop embarrassing yourself

 

Jesus Christ.

Article about Ardoyne riots & the use of water canon

- There are other methods of dealing with rioters, such as those employed by police in Britain. I 'd suggest it reasonable for the police to explore all other avenues to diffuse a situation before using such methods.

- What are these riot control measures employed by British police you alluded to, still not gave me an example?

- well in Derry, the same police force took up a watching brief and trouble fizzled out. That appeared far more effective.

So you called the water canon a dangerous weapon and said that There are other methods of dealing with rioters such as standing back and letting it fizzle out. Yet you didn't mean Ardoyne?



Seriously mate youre digging yourself deeper and deeper

 

I said a shop because as far as I am aware the St.Pats event marches through the city centre and not residential areas.

Please answer, would you find that acceptable?

 

No because as I said im sure there are many singular catholic owned shops that the parades pass by without protest. The objections of 1 shop does not equal objections from an entire community

 

So you wouldn't find it acceptable.

See my point.

The entire community?

Remember the Ardoyne riots stem from people coming to the shops at the edge of Ardoyne. So it doesn't go through it, people have to go to the edge of their area to see it.

 

You don't like being corrected do you. Especially not by me.

 

Medro

In my opinion (correct me if wrong RB) RB didn't say the police should have stood back and let the riots fizzle out...

He gave an example of when they did so and the tactic worked that time.

Not to say it would always work, but it is an option, and I believe RB said that the police should explore ALL avenues!




Me, I'd steam in with Water Cannons from the start. It is a dangerous weapon but rioters are breaking the law...

 

I would call you stupid but I know you are being deliberately obtuse.

The city centre is a neutral area. Its neither Nationalist or Unionist and not home to many, what you would call, residents. The St. Patrick's day parade has been designed as a cross community event. Hence why the entertainment is not reflective of any Irish musical culture and tricolours etc. are banned. It is a neutral parade in a neutral area follow me so far

The orange parades are a provocative unionist sectarian event with not only union flags displayed en masse, there are also banners commemorating terrorists and murderers, music celebrating murders and murderers and historical instances of sectarian brutality. Doesnt matter if it is silent, what these people stand for is enough. For this sectarian event to take place triumphantly in an area it is not welcome is not equal to a neutral parade in a neutral venue.

Once more in the hope yu finally get it, the two are incomparable

 

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- He said the use of water canon was dangerous
- He then said an alternative method should be used
- When asked what that was he said letting it fizzle out worked in Londonderry

You can be pedantic to but he is suggesting letting it fizzle out over water canons.

SO what about the unionists living on the Crumlin road? Remember it goes past not through Ardoyne.

I thought you said those people were freedom fighters?

 

BELFAST has been burning as the city sees its worst rioting for many years.

Dark memories of the Troubles have surfaced as masked youths take on police in the middle of the tension between Catholics and Protestants, with more than 80 cops injured in hails of Molotov cocktails and bricks.

But locals insist this is NOT a return to the bad old days — today it is kids rounding up rioters through social networking sites because they want something to do. Kids aged EIGHT are getting involved.

Father Gary Donegan, parish priest at Holy Cross Church, Ardoyne, is angry the area has again been turned into a war zone.

He said: "These riots are about as politically motivated as a placemat.

"We have young people claiming to be heroes of the Irish nation when in fact they wouldn't know the way to my church unless they were following a hearse.

"They are egging each other on over the internet and that has given the situation a life of its own.

"With no clear purpose for the unrest it can only be called recreational rioting."

The riots have been sparked by the annual marching season. Protestant supporters of Britain's union with Northern Ireland don orange sashes and parade with bands through Belfast every summer to commemorate the Battle of the Boyne, the 1690 clash that saw William of Orange defeat Catholic King James II.

But their traditional marching routes around the Crumlin Road anger Catholic residents.

Posing in tatty sportswear and trainers, the latest rioting faction show off their secret alleyway hideout. They are the Skee Heads, a rag tag army of troubled Catholic teens who use social networking websites such as Bebo and Facebook to gather support.

They even post videos of the rioting on YouTube, trying to outdo each other in a twisted version of neighbourhood rivalry.

High on drink and drugs, the swaggering rioters are also supported by girl pals in their best outfits who swoon at the "macho" lads.

From under his black balaclava, jobless ringleader Seamus, 19, says: "I've been out every night throwing stones, hijacking cars and pelting cops with fire bombs."

Yet this maverick seems unsure about what he is fighting for.

Seamus says: "We are here to protect the area, I suppose.

"There's no amenities for young Catholics here so we've nothing else to do.

"Up the road in Ballysillan the Protestants have a swimming pool but we can't go there in case we get beaten up.

"We're not scared of the police so rioting is a bit of a laugh.

"We have a few drinks, smoke some weed and get stuck in.

"We don't support the IRA or Sinn Fein either. In fact I don't vote."

Three teenage girls strolling nearby admit they put on their glad rags to watch the riots each night.

Shonagh, 14, says: "I don't do anything against the cops but just stand there and check out what's going on.

"All our friends go so there's a good atmosphere and it's not scary.

"We're not there to cause trouble. Our parents don't know where we are. If they ring you just say you're somewhere else.

"I know why the boys are angry. It's because the Protestants get all the nice council houses and they're allowed to march down our road."

Smoothing her blonde hair, 15-year-old Rebecca, who is caked in make-up, says: "Loads of young people are going to the riots this year. It's being fuelled by sites like YouTube.

"People take videos and put them online claiming the Ardoyne protests are the best in Belfast.

"In other areas young people do the same, so there's competition over where has the best riots."

Father Donegan is desperate for an end to the violence.


He has been outraged by the sight of feral youths running amok.

He added: "So far I've prevented a nine-year-old boy from throwing a brick. Another eight-year-old squared up to me and asked what I was looking at. The girls who come clearly mistake an aggressive riot for the Milan catwalk.

"One young lady would have given Olivia Newton-John in her tight black Grease catsuit a run for her money.

"Another looked like she was wearing little more than lingerie from Ann Summers.

"The boys are drinking and smoking blow, giving them more bravado to riot and play up to the crowd.

"They're attacking security forces from the very same state that will provide their unemployment benefit later in life."

With the risk of more trouble, Father Donegan believes the decision to allow an Orange march through a volatile Catholic area needs to be looked at again.

If there were no Orange march, the rioters' excuse for their mindless violence would be gone.

He has also called on local parents to better control their kids.

Father Donegan says: "For all that is ludicrous and bizarre in Ardoyne, lives are being put at risk. We need to put a stop to this and I ask, 'Where are the parents?'

"Do they even care where their children are?"

Aghast

SDLP councillor Nichola Mallon has also blasted locals for failing to keep their kids off the streets.

On Tuesday she watched aghast as a 12-year-old lad hurled a petrol bomb in front of her car.

Nichola, 30, says: "It was 8pm and the youngster made no attempt to conceal himself lighting and throwing the bomb.

"It landed across the road near some Protestant houses but thankfully no one was hurt. There are serious issues of parental responsibility. Where are they while their children are rioting?"

She agreed that an end to the marches would help ease the situation.

She said: "To prevent a re-run of this violence the genuine objections of the local community to the Orange marches must also be addressed."

But City Grand Master Tom Haire, the most senior Orangeman in Belfast, sees no reason to halt the parades.

He told The Sun his organisation would not re-route the parade in future — despite the violent consequences seen in Ardoyne.

Tom, 63, says: "We don't feel any responsibility for the trouble. Members of the Orange Order can walk up and down that road at any time of year, so why should that change during our traditional marching season?

"We'd like a resolution but it's our right to be there."

Back at the Skee Heads' HQ, a police Land Rover passes nearby, sending Seamus and the gang into blind panic.

Before scarpering he makes one last attempt to clarify their position: "We just want to see the area getting better.

"Everyone talks about a bright new Belfast but there's none of that around here."

He may have a point.