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Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by bcfcredandwhite, May 5, 2023.

  1. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    RA he is on another planet! bit like not being good at math's 1+1 = 3!
     
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  2. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    He better not eat them though as he will become a real old fart!
     
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  3. Star of David Bardsley

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    Without immigrants Bristol probably wouldn’t be the fine city it is today.
     
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  4. Redprintt

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    Bwood

    Enlighten me where the size of Bristol moving to the UK every year will live.
     
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  5. Star of David Bardsley

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    There are 700000 empty homes in England alone.

    We could actually build homes rather than suppressing this because Tory members asked the Prime Minister to do so.
     
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  6. Redprintt

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    I keep reading about empty homes.
    Can't understand why we keep building more homes if there's that many empty.
    Must be more to it........ or is there ?
    They'll drive cars on gridlocked roads, need and use the overstretched NHS and Schools.
    In 2years another million plus will be here so the 700k now empty can help.
    Then, according to Starmer, he'll concrete the Green Belt.
    It's bad now with the current lot, but wow, may the Lord help us.
     
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  7. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    We need immigration, especially of young people, as there are too few youngsters to support our aging population, that’s why they are suggesting raising the retirement age despite life expectancy dropping for the first time for a while.
     
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  8. Redprintt

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    Agree....... controlled.
     
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  9. Star of David Bardsley

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    It is.
     
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  10. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Yes controlled, but there needs to be proper means to achieve it, there isn’t at the moment, hence why there is so much uncontrolled. Allow proper routes and you choke off a lot of the demand to use illegal means.
     
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  11. realred1952

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    YOU ARE SO SHORT SIGHTED it is unbelievable ... and no clues as to why either! ....
     
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  12. Star of David Bardsley

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    Which part of my post is incorrect?
     
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  13. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    Then you are agreeing with the poster that immigration should be controlled. That doesn't make you massively anti-immigration.

    You have made a statement of fact that EU migrants had a net benefit for us. I work in an industry where increasing the labour supply puts downward force on already low wages. Its an iron law of economics. Migration increases labour supply. Migration has a negative effect on working class peoples wages.

    Areas of Bristol have radically changed. The Cities population has increased by 10% in ten years. Its more again if we use data from 2000. This increase has an impact on social cohesion.
     
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    Less than 1% a year isn’t abnormal. Infrastructure should be able to expand/improve to accommodate that with adequate investment but that’s been sorely lacking in recent years.

    Obviously immigration isn’t going to benefit every person or area all the time but in net terms it’s been proven to do so from the EU.
     
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  15. Cliftonville

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    10% in ten years is abnormal.

    You have just done net again. How does immigration benefit a person in socio economic groups like D? Lets do social care? Millions work in social care, migration helps to keep working class people poor.
     
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    Yes, net. Net is important. We almost all benefit to varying extents from economic growth, a lower dependency ratio etc.

    The pay in social care is deplorable but even with a lot of migrants in that sector there are huge numbers of vacancies and wages aren’t improving adequately to combat this so I don’t see how removing migrants from that sector improves things much if at all. If anything one could argue that without migrants there are outlets that can no longer operate and jobs would be lost.

    D is a very broad socio-economic group. Many people within it will work in businesses that benefit from being in a more densely-populated area, for example.
     
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  17. bcfcredandwhite

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    It’s an interesting comment.
    Of course, if Labour becomes more expensive then prices go up in order to fund the wage demands, which then negates their higher wages.
    It’s very difficult - nigh on impossible - to create an economic environment where everyone is paid well but prices are still low.
     
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  18. Cliftonville

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    Linking care sector pay to NHS pay scales would not create wider inflation. Social care is paid for from taxation and council tax.

    Social care isn't well paid. The rate Bristol City council purchase its services is linked to the minimum wage, a tenner. Our politicians like Rees should attempt living on that in Bristol.

    You did not highlight what the benefits are?

    The majority of care workers are drawn from the socio economic group D. Yes the pay is deplorable. A supposed benefit of migration is that this helps to fill skills gaps in caring profession, but this puts downward pressure on care pay where you state the pay is deplorable. Migration helps to keep working class people in poverty. Poverty is not a benefit.

    I don't understand your point about removing migrants. I don't think any poster has stated they would support no immigration.
     
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  19. Star of David Bardsley

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    You used the example of the care sector. It’s a sector still with a huge number of vacancies so there doesn’t seem to be much of a correlation between vacancies and pay. If the sector was hugely over-supplied and wages were suppressed then I’d see your point. If other sectors are over-supplied due to migration then wages may be suppressed in those but various jobs such as nursing and teaching are lacking in numbers and wage rises are still minimal and behind inflation.

    A lower dependency ratio in theory means more taxes coming in relative to money having to be spent on pensions etc. and more spent on public services which benefit the poorest. Again just a theory really as reality is we have a government that just hoovers it up and doles it out to their donors/cronies.
     
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  20. Cliftonville

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    The care sector stumbles along with as you state with a lot of migrants in that sector. Yes this labour supply is used to keep costs down. Migration is used to fill vacancies people cannot do on minimum wages. There is the correlation.

    Try living on £10 an hour in Bristol, or anywhere.
     
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