1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Nigel Pearson

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by Red Robin, May 10, 2023.

  1. Red Alert

    Red Alert Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2012
    Messages:
    2,424
    Likes Received:
    756
    losing £38 million in 21 and 28 million in 2022 !!!
     
    #21
  2. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    9,616
    Likes Received:
    3,211
    I understand that, but my point was, investors look at potential as well as finances. If I'm an investor and i want to buy a football club, you look at recent league positions to narrow your options, then (almost in tandem) check their finances. Plenty of PL clubs losing more than us, but still pick up investors due to having a higher profile.
     
    #22
  3. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2017
    Messages:
    10,957
    Likes Received:
    4,121
    Considering the **** show he inherited I think he’s done really well, we now seem to be through the worst of it, so I agree this season we have the be too half at the very least and threatening the top 6.

    I think the investor issue would be much more nuanced than just our league position.
     
    #23
  4. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2017
    Messages:
    10,957
    Likes Received:
    4,121
    He was bang in in regards good uns coming through, if it wasn’t for our academy lads we really would’ve been in trouble. Of course NP and the coaching staff have to take credit for their emergence as well.
     
    #24
    Red Robin likes this.
  5. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    9,616
    Likes Received:
    3,211
    The team wasn't a $h1t$how, it went to the last day of the previous season under LJ with a chance - albeit slim of making the play-offs. Financially, yes, but that was down to COVID, it threw everybody for a curve. Others adapted better than us, others didn't, such as Derby, Stoke, Reading etc.
     
    #25
    oneforthebristolcity likes this.
  6. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    9,616
    Likes Received:
    3,211
    True, but by that token, you have to give the same credit to LJ for the emergence of Bryan, Reid etc. Many on here won't they say they were signed by other managers, and LJ was "lucky" to inherit these "crown jewels"...
     
    #26
    oneforthebristolcity likes this.

  7. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2017
    Messages:
    10,957
    Likes Received:
    4,121
    I meant financially, he deserves great credit for turning the finances around whilst remaining in this league and now being in the position to push on next season.
     
    #27
    Supcon72 likes this.
  8. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    9,616
    Likes Received:
    3,211
    100%, him and the new CEO/CFO.
     
    #28
    AshtonRed likes this.
  9. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2017
    Messages:
    10,957
    Likes Received:
    4,121
    I’m not
    LJ never had 6/7 academy players in a squad .,NP has had too and still managed14th this season,,that’s some feat.
     
    #29
    Red Robin likes this.
  10. Redprintt

    Redprintt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    7,695
    Likes Received:
    4,358
    Are you being deliberately obtuse ?
     
    #30
  11. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    10,791
    Likes Received:
    5,612
    Ashton, that ‘sh1t show’ managed to achieve higher league finishes than his squad has.
    It’s subjective.
    Nige has done well on a limited budget, but the EFL only considers league position when working out who gets promoted or relegated.
     
    #31
    Supcon72 likes this.
  12. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    9,616
    Likes Received:
    3,211
    Nope, sticking to the facts RP.
     
    #32
    oneforthebristolcity likes this.
  13. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2017
    Messages:
    10,957
    Likes Received:
    4,121
    The **** show I’m referring to is our financial position and paying very high wages, we were lucky to avoid any form of sanctions, NP has this season achieved 14th position whilst eventually getting rid of most of our high earners, If we get the summer recruitment right, with a bit of luck, we could be in for an exciting season.
     
    #33
    bcfcredandwhite likes this.
  14. Redprintt

    Redprintt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    7,695
    Likes Received:
    4,358
    Ashton.
    Give up, you're pissing in the wind.
    There's none so blind.........
     
    #34
    Angelicnumber16 likes this.
  15. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    8,888
    Likes Received:
    3,080
    I think that argument has been done to death.. Affordable before covid, not affordable after.. simples.. we move on!
     
    #35
    Angelicnumber16 likes this.
  16. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    10,791
    Likes Received:
    5,612
    On that we probably agree.

    Also probably not what you meant though…….

    The LJ era spent big, like a lot of clubs did whilst the market was buoyant and achieved top half Championship - 8th place or thereabouts on consecutive seasons. FACT.
    The NP era came after COVID bit and when many clubs including our own had to trim the wages bill to dodge FFP. Nige has done this successfully and I’m glad about that. No complaints. He’s done a good job.

    My only comment - which constantly gets shot down - is that LJ/Ashton worked within the boundaries of the football environment as it was during their tenure. It was bountiful back then. It’s no longer bountiful and Nige has had his hands tied tighter than his predecessors - and he’s done well.
    I’m not sure if we are even disagreeing - I’m happy with Nige. He’s done good. End of.
     
    #36
  17. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2017
    Messages:
    10,957
    Likes Received:
    4,121
    I think with hindsight we spent too much before COVID as well. A lot of clubs did, hence so many getting points deductions etc. We were all guilty,as fans we wanted those marquee signings COVID.to an extent brought all non premier league clubs to their senses. An example is Kalas, unless a p/p club or possibly foreign club, comes in for him, it’s very unlikely he’ll get anywhere near. his present salary again, certainly not here.
     
    #37
    Supcon72 likes this.
  18. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2017
    Messages:
    10,957
    Likes Received:
    4,121
    The problem was, the prize of getting promoted was so lucrative clubs were prepared to gamble in order to get promoted. Also the fact that historically if you were successful and got promoted the penalty for achieving it illegally wasn’t high enough, and the gains outweighed any possible sanctions. Often there were no penalties at all unless you got relegated back to the championship. Most clubs pushed themselves right to the limit and often beyond hoping they’d be successful.
     
    #38
    Supcon72 likes this.
  19. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2011
    Messages:
    26,612
    Likes Received:
    4,438
    Whilst previously we had players we could trade on like Bryan, Reid, Webster and Kelly. Who at the end of the last year of LJ/ MA year did we have that could have been traded on to make enough money to sustain the spending then?
     
    #39
    bcfcredandwhite and Redprintt like this.
  20. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    8,888
    Likes Received:
    3,080
    For us, the other way of looking at it, We needed to finance to secure our championship status, before then we yo-yoed with league 1, we were not a fashionable club that players wanted to come too.. had it not been for that period, I believe we wouldn’t be where we are today..
     
    #40

Share This Page