Just checked it out again. The free kick loops over Richarlison's shoulder with both him and Darwin jumping, lands on the ground in front of him, bounces and rises into the net. Didn't change direction at all. It's funny because they always show 2 or 3 replays of a goal and from different angles but I can't find any more videos from any other angles or any slow motions.
To be fair to Robbo he plays 90 minutes week in week out. Don’t think he’s regressing or actually been bad this year.
Think you need to rewatch as it clearly hits richarlison and changes direction. Was going out for a goal kick and the touch brings it back in on target and it goes down into the ground to allow it to then bounce over alisson. The best angle is the first one. One behind the goal doesn’t help at all
Numbers wise, Robbo is still getting the assists. But his all round game is nowhere near as good as what is used to be. He’s also been at fault for a number of goals this season. The reason why he hardly gets criticised is because a) Trent is often the scapegoat and b) his errors are not that obvious - they’re often giving his man too much space, playing his man onside. Back on point A, you have Gary Neville hyper criticising Trent all the time, even for things that aren’t his fault. Defensively, Robbo is now a serious liability. I love Robbo as a traditional full back but so far, I’m not sure he can play this the new hybrid LB/LCB role, which I think needs someone more defensively inclined. He has struggled in every game since we changed.
Just remembered when VVD was calling for a handball at the end of the first half but tierney laughed it off and VAR never checked. Was there a replay of the incident to confirm if it was a pen or not??
theres some things that go on. 1. Robertson never blocks a cross. It absolutely drives me potty. It must be an order as we stand off absolutely everyone and never get a block in. its the basics of full back play to not let the ball in at all. 2. he gets behind the line a lot. full backs cannot be last man. Thats as much imo on vvd not driving him out and kepeing on his case as anything 3. he gets attracted to the ball. he's gone too narrow several times and not marked the ****ing one single man in the ****ing box tice now in 2 games. Just go pick up and jump with the person. Its now cost two goals imo. I wouldn't however worry in the slightest about this role as it won't exist in 6 months time as either klopp will be sacked for a tragic start to the season or we will be back to a 4. we cannot be borrowing the right full to make a counter press up the park using two cms. its madness in system terms.
I have said this a number of times - the officiating standard for that game needs to be looked at. it was a terrible performance against Both sides Mason was as angry as Klopp and berated the fourth official Anything - nope even if they were to release the recording now I would not believe it - not being funny but I could easily knock a file together with the tech available today Way too much time has passed. to me this stinks of a narrative/agenda call it what you will Klopp is in for a rough ride from the press imho
who cares. klopp is big enough and ugly enough to know there's only ever one winner for his antics and to act with a modium of class. I am VERY sure the 4th official deliberately moved as far down away from klopp as he could get (opposite end of the spurs area is not the place for the 4th official. The press will move on to the midweek games very shortly. Its the whinging moaning referee's boys club that won't let go.
I've searched back quite away and I'm struggling to find anything critising when we used both fullbacks in the press, left the two centrebacks stood by themselves. I'm wondering why when we now leave 3 at the back with two holding midfielders you think that is more open than 2 at the back and 1 holding midfielder?
we were pushing two fullbacks onto wingers or other full backs to either hit them as the ball dropped or force them back. in this case the two cbs would be high up but narrower so all the space is behind and someone needed to break a 2 man offside line which was marshalled well. the issue is that when you make a line of 3 now you've added another moving part as 2 opportunities to be behind the others not just 1 means it's more difficult to play offside. Sunday Robertson was behind the other 2 on the opposite side of the park to son and played him on. the other reality of this 3 at the back is it is not really a 3 in the conventional sense. it's really konate miles over on his own. vvd in the middle, on his own and Robertson again on his own. they are not supporting each other and there's 25 yards between them. there's space to play into. the 2 6's are stood another 5 to 10 yards up the park so simply can't get back in there. it's simply never as compact as it needs to be without the ball. compare and contrast to tuchel's 3 at the back at Chelsea. you were not getting a sniff but then he was ultra defensive. it was drilled relentlessly to support each other.
There have been links to Gvardiol and Ndicka, which now make a lot more sense as they would be better suited to the LB / LCB role.
I've been on here almost 12 years now, and you'd be hard pressed to find me criticising the system, because I'm aware that even the crappiest managers know more about it than I do - but for some reason this system is causing me grief. I'm not enough of a tactician to explain properly, but here's my take on it. Even when Trent was ostensibly a RB the ball over his head had us in trouble, but the midfield could give more support to the CBs because the creativity all came from the wings. Now we seem to have a strung-out back 3 with not enough help coming from the midfield quickly enough. Hendo is often going on the overlap on the right, because Trent isn't there, and is way out of position. There are times when we have no width at all on the right, nobody beyond the inside right position to spread the play. It makes the left and middle more congested and even harder to play through. Robbo being more withdrawn means we're losing the creativity from both wings, to an extent. He's not the best defender, but he is one of the best attacking LBs. The system we had made us one of the most potent teams in football, and I don't know why we've changed it so radically. Like I said I'm no tactician, and perhaps the changes in personnel and the age of some has made it necessary, but the current set-up just looks ugly to me, in comparison to how we were not long ago. From a team competing on all fronts to one struggling to make the Europa, is quite a steep fall. I'm confident Klopp will sort it out for the future, but I don't see the current system being the preferred one.
The part in bold is what I'm thinking. The standard response to that question is that 'we have to evolve, teams will find us out' but the fact is, teams hadn't found us out. We were winning consistently. Maybe a few tweaks here and there are ok but we made a wholesale change and then didn't recruit well enough for the new roles.
Imagine the Howard Webb led PGMOL agitating for a points reduction that could benefit United over Liverpool. Then try and imagine a scenario when that wouldn't happen anyway for another reason.
all we need do is look at what it worked. linders named his book off it. intensity. fast press right up with the confidence those behind come up and close gaps. look at the gaps. the first gap we were seeing was full backs starting to arrive late on the scene. holding back put of fear. now we have no mane, no firmino, and salah isn't pressing hard. Henderson is 32/33. can't do it any more. people are finding easier and easier out ball against us and can win the ball high up if they bypass as the cbs are not able to dominate. we are now in effect pressing up with 5 players. lw, Jones, gakpo, Henderson, salah. all pushed up trying to prevent that out ball. if a side can beat that then in the middle trent and fabinho are there but if they get it wide it's a cb up against a winger. if 4 can't do it running on the putting 5 up opens a gap somewhere at the back. we are then too honest. we don't do cheap time buying fouls well, we don't hit man and ball in the middle and accept the foul and shrug at ref. prime example is fabinho and trent on eze v palace in 1-1. its a nothing ball in the air. hit the man and ball. fabinho doesn't get close. one pass and Zaha is in and hits the perfect shot.
blah blah blah. usual utter **** out of gobshites. they won't deduct points for racism, fans rioting in grounds, gross financial misconduct but its OK to take points off one club for acting the child but not the other clubs who basically did the same things (at least 5 this weekend alone) blah blah blah.
