2 things struck me, these thugs didn't even need to be City supporters, they could have just hung around waiting for the game to finish outside. Secondly, I thought away fans were all kept separate when they were leaving, how did 2 manage to get isolated? Whatever happened, this lot needs identifying and punished accordingly, no room for that sort of thing.
Few and far between, Pus had one pulled out on him on the walk back at Sheff Utd one night game circa 1982, Away match at Doncaster in the 80's 2 stabbings, (one each way) when i got to the ground actaully thought it was my brother as a group of 6 of us had earlier being legged through the city center by 100 odd Donny lads and our 6 had got split up, another 80's match Burnley at home a Burnley lad who had being calling it on got slashed twice but it was a rare thing at Hull as it was up North in general, London and Merseyside were a different matter though.
When I said this **** needed stamped on I got ridiculed.. Plenty of oldskooll hard lads. Saying its nothing. Like the 70s. Same hard lads now trying to pull out a 70s memory to back themselves. Funny old world. Innit?
I don’t know about anyone else, but I cringe at any form of hooliganism, especially when the people are old enough to know better. Let’s be honest, if you can’t handle banter from the opposition fans and take it personally, you are stupid. And that’s what these hooligans are. More needs to be done to eradicate it - the technology is there to catch them. Can we not just send them all to some desert island where they can be happy fighting each other? Last man standing can win, and then wait for the next batch of idiots for round 2.
Don't try to ridicule me. Supporting your team from the terraces was different if you were a young bloke in the 70's. You could actually buy a pen knife in the club shop. That is a fact, I am not making it up. If you were not there yourself you wouldn't know. If you have any evidence of knife crime at City games, then gives us the details. Personally I can recall two incidents over 50 years ago, and only one inside the ground at the Old Den, it received a two line mention in the HDM at the time, and no one was charged for the offence. Others have posted about isolated incidents since and I do not disblieve them. Perhaps I am being naive as jim the tiger says, after all I don't mix with many teenagers these days. This started with a accusasion from a Swansea fan that he saw two blades on Saturday. I don't believe him and I hope our youth are not carrying knives and thinking it is a normal thing to do. And to finish. It isn't anything like the 70's.
I think the main discussion is centred around knives being carried at Football matches.I've never seen a blade being flashed at a game(and that includes numerous old firm derbies over the years).I've seen violence on a scale that few on here could imagine,just about anything you'd care to name being launched and some sickening beatings being handed out between opposing 'fan's but I've never seen knives used. On the Streets of Britain as a whole,I agree,knife crime has risen and much of that is down to turf-wars over drug sales.You only need look at the chaos and culture in London as a prime example.. Stop and search? Great idea until some stupid human rights politician complains that it's disproportionate...I'd have no problem being searched,I've got **** all to hide,it's those that have that complain about it. As for that 30 second Twitter video,it shows a bunch of stupid lads trying to bully a couple of Swansea fans who didn't want it or deserve it!! These young lads swinging punches will learn one day that not everyone reacts to a thump the way these 2 kids did!!Maybe that will put an end to their 'hooligan' careers.
But surely its inevitable that if these jerks are carrying them around the streets the same people will bring them to football with them?
Huge increase in casual cocaine use over last 15 years. Probably has an effect on low level violence and aggressiveness in crowds. Prison isn't a deterrent for many, it's just a boring break.
I'm not sure the 2 need to go hand in hand and I've certainly never seen evidence of it. Where I live there is organised crime,mostly drug related and most of these lads 'carry'(not just knives either,Guns being the preferred weapon of choice).These lads don't interest themselves in Football generally and even if they do go on occasion,it's corporate hospitality due to the thickness of their wallets. It would be interesting to see if anyone can provide statistics on Football related offences involving offensive weapons as opposed to arrests for the same offence in daily life?
In that video clip at the end there appears to be a load of people in hi viz behind the 8 ft fence who eventually open a gate to let the 2 being punched through.
The Hull lad at Doncaster was stanley knifed a nasty period strongly in Liverpool where it appears it originated. Seemed to stop but no idea when. The knife carrying now seems worse to me however maybe at my age with kids of my own it’s more worrying.
I appreciate what you're saying Ric but these people I'm talking about are not wealthy, they are gangs of kids who roam the streets stealing from shops like Heron and bikes from peoples gardens. We've got a big issue with them coming from Greatfield into Hedon and then pelting it back down the track to Great field on stole motorbikes or cycles. They have a Facebook page, Hull Dingers, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad for the people who's lives they're ruining. Kids from Hull speaking and acting like lads from inner city london. The girl told me about some of these lads on remand and that they go to Hull KR games with her boyfriend. It's not beyond the realms of possibility they're amongst some of the ones that are causing problems at City and embarrassing themselves and our club.
Only ever seen one 'blade' flashed at City. It was at an away game, and a certain 'born within the sound of Bow bells' City fan had a sword stick with him. The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
CJ? I remember a headline years ago about the police stopping a City 'battlebus' with a photo of the haul of weapons, sceptical some may have been planted, but they included sharpened wallpaper scrapers?
Which 'firm' was it that used Stanley knife calling cards in the 70s and early 80s ?, used to cut the 'their mark' into the skins of opposing fans. Think it may have been one of the southern clubs, possibly Millwall but I forget now.
on kempton mid seventies against Sunderland- both 'kops' facing each other about 3 yards apart and Sunderland fans were waving about pen knives - was very rare at the time and there was only a couple of names I knew were linked with knives, one already mentioned, the other a lad named Stabber Mac off North Hull - as Urika said, very rare
I can remember a few knife related incidents at City over the years. Brentford away early 80s behind one of the stands somebody pulled a knife on us. Liverpool at home mid 80s cup game I had a Stanley knife pulled on me down Anlaby Road. Two brothers both got stabbed at Darlington away late 80s. One of ours slashing a Bradford fan outside BP. Certainly not an everyday event but certainly happened.
The quicker you learn the difference between being 'ridiculed' and having your point of view challenged the better You were wetting yourself about silly little handbags at distance incidents in the North Stand...
I knew Woody who got stabbed at Doncaster, never heard of these incidents at Brentford, Liverpool at home or Darlington before. The Bradford fan apparently lost part of his ear which was taken as a trophy, still very isolated, nasty and rare even during what were often violent days. Much much safer now, the stadium was packed with families on Saturday, more kids than I ever saw at BP, totally safe for them now.
Bob McDermot, aka Mac the knife, and he was actually off Beverley road, although I knew him well I never saw him with one at City. Friend of Wolfgang. Mac was as soft as ****e. Last heard of nicking bacon from Heron. He got the nickname because he attacked his own elderly parents, which was just about his limit.
