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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by Doc, Apr 25, 2023.

  1. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

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    Some said that when we replaced Bielsa with Marsch. I know you’re desperate to him sound good because this guy seems the wrong fit but that doesn’t make Jesse a good coach. One win in seventeen games remember
     
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    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    But you’re assuming Marsch would have done better when his stats suggest otherwise. I said on day one that if Gracia fails it doesn’t mean Jesse was good or better even, just that both were bad.

    In fact the rumours continue to Mount that Jesse has assembled a team with a few poisonous and disruptive characters amongst them.

    Our problem was simply not being bold before the World Cup, beating Liverpool will probably be our downfall, it saved Jesse and we spent poorly on his players in January whilst loaning out players who would probably get game time right now.

    Last season we blamed squad depth and injuries, this season it’s an ever increasing comedy of errors that have all contributed to where we are at now.
     
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    Maybe someone can dig out the stats but it feels like we were having more chances under Marsch and conceding fewer shots. He had tweaked his system to make us harder to break down like in the Brentford game and even the Forest away game where they scored with their only shot on target. He had a run of favourable games coming up like Southampton and Forest at home.

    Listen, we'll never know, I get that. I'm not saying Marsch was the right appointment or player recruitment has been great. The question was when did you feel relegation was a real fear? For me, it was when the fans ran out of patience with Marsch and he was sacked. I realise me saying that doesn't make me right but it's just as viable as people banging on about how Sean Dyche would have kept us up.

    At this point the only thread of hope is that at least some of the lads ran around a bit on Tuesday which is more than they had the previous 2 and a half games. We need to go to Bournemouth at the weekend and pull our sleeves up, put a shift in and hope lady luck shines on us and we somehow produce an upset. It might be our last chance.
     
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    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    It wouldn’t have mattered. The same idiots would have appointed a different useless manager back then. The problems not even the coaches, it’s who’s picking them and the useless players. Is that still not obvious. Not Marsch fault he was given a job he wasn’t qualified for.
     
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  5. Doc

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    Unfortunately Gracia has tunnel vision when it comes to team selection and the use of subs. Stevie Wonder saw what was wrong against Leicester. Bringing Summerville on for Sinisterra you can say OK but Aaronson and no Gnonto when we needed to pen them back in their own half. They brought Vardy and Daka on, 2 strikers and scared our midfield and defence to death. Why wasn’t Forshaw brought on when McKennie tired. The fans have had enough of this and we may as well just let Dallas and Cooper finish the season managing.

    At least Lampard is showing he is the worst coach in football and the new yank owner at Chelsea is worse than Rads
     
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    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Not worse. They’re ahead of us in table. They are dire though, I’ll give you that Doc
     
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  7. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I feared it before the season started, I’ve never rated a coach less or worse than Jesse in a long time, honestly mate, I felt he was atrocious before last season ended.

    When he joined and made it clear he needed players he’d worked with before because he can’t coach who we have I panicked, a good coach should surely be able to coach any player.

    Jesse nor Gracia are bad people, I know they don’t go out trying to lose, they believe in themselves, and what they envisage happening in their heads is obviously a long way short of reality on the pitch.

    I don’t blame either of them directly, it’s the board I blame. Lessons have been learnt was the cry, not only have they not been learnt, we’ve repeated the same mistakes and made thrown in bigger ones too.
     
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    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    You’re probably right, I’ve lost all faith in Orta when it comes to finding a decent coach. Bielsa was always a one year rolling contract, we had plenty of time to line up his successor.

    The plan was clear and easy, someone who plays similar football, probably the same football as Bielsa but more flexible with the man to man marking.

    We bring in Jesse who can’t coach the players we have, the rest is history
     
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  9. Doc

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    The ideal coach replacement had to be someone who based his tactics on what Bielsa taught. We know there are countless variants of Bielsaball, from Pep, to Pochetino, to Simeone, to Sampaoli and many more. Simeone bases his version on a low block but the principles are the same, some use different versions on man to man, possession etc but all need top levels of fitness and mobility.

    So Marsch was wrong on many fronts based upon the type of player we cultivated right down to the academy and all that has now gone, blown up
     
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    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Correct. Problem however is despite what the three stooges thought when sacking Marsch, top coaches will not be clamouring for the Leeds gig, whatever division were in. Their arrogance led them to believe they could pick and choose even if they had the first clue what to look for.
     
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    On the type of coach I missed Marcelo Gallardo who is also a Bielsa type coach. This bit taken from a piece about Pep recruiting Alvarez from River plate because the kid needed to be able to play PepBall ……


    ……. been recruited in line with Gallardo’s signature style of high-pressing, high tempo football that features frequent exchanges of positions between players and in-game tweaks to the formation.

    In case you hadn’t already worked this one out, Guardiola and Gallardo share a mutual admiration of Marcelo Bielsa.

    “River press harder than anyone in Argentine football, River run harder than anyone in Argentine football, they have more shots, they score more goals,”
     
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