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Thomas Frank & Johan Lange (& Fabio Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Your Preference For Ange’s Replacement

  1. Thomas Frank

  2. Andoni Iraola

  3. Simone Inzaghi

  4. Marco Silva

  5. Roberto Di Zerbi

  6. Other (state in comments)

  7. Oliver Glasner

  8. Xavi

  9. Mauricio Pochettino

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  1. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    why do we need a players committee?

    its Daniel trying to be the players mate again and giving them more power than the managers and more power than they deserve…so when they don’t fancy the challenge, the pressure the stress, they can just hold a meeting with their canteen mate Daniel

    he hasn’t got a clue

    At least it explains why Dier is still stinking the place out
     
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  2. The Huddlefro

    The Huddlefro Well-Known Member

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    Every club will have the same kind of group. Captain, VCs, and one or two others.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Here's the thing: when did people working their way through the coaching roles to become a manager become an outlier?

    It was often the done thing way back when for somebody to join a club after doing their coaching course and rise through the coaching ranks before becoming manager, which is exactly what Bill Nicholson and Bob Paisley did - and it's also pretty common in Germany and Austria, as the likes of Julian Nagelsmann, Oliver Glasner, Marco Rose and Daniel Farke all followed that trajectory

    That's why I was suggesting Ralf Rangnick as a potential manager a couple of years ago, because his track record of mentoring people from youth coach to manager (most notably Nagelsmann, who he mentored at Hoffenheim) could have potentially led to the romantic notion of Ryan Mason rising through our youth ranks for a second time to be our next project manager
     
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  4. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    Yeh possibly but it makes no sense to me

    and if they do have it it should be active only when pondering things like

    ‘what are we putting on the Xmas lunch menu this year’

    ‘Who’s driving?’

    ‘what restaurant are we going to?’

    not important stuff like

    ‘who would you want as your next manager?’
     
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  5. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Avram Grant, ex-chelsea, been to the CL final, would be the icing on the cake for me.
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

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    What it really demonstrates is how little people online know about who is and isn't a dressing room leader

    It's similar to how it was mentioned when the ubermensch took over that Sissoko was one of the leading voices in the locker room, which nobody (apart from maybe Mark Noble) could have expected

    Now, if some of those players could take some of that leadership at one end of the tunnel and show it on the pitch, that'd help...
     
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  7. PowerSpurs

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    It's almost fundamental that employees have some means of accessing senior management. Otherwise nasty things get covered up. It would be terrible if we didn't have something like this.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

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    Alasdair Gold suggests that Nagelsmann is open to taking on the job

    He also mentions that, even though Bayern sacked him last month, they'd expect compensation if we appointed him before the end of the season, reportedly around the £12m mark. Which is ****ing stupidity of the highest order
     
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  9. The Huddlefro

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    Oh there are plenty who follow that route. I mean more in terms of the time and influence Arteta was afforded and the success he’s now having.
     
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  10. PowerSpurs

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    Or perfectly normal in any highly paid job.
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

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    How many examples are there of that in football, though?

    The only other club that appears to do this is Chelsea, with both Villas-Boas and Potter on a retainer until the end of the season in spite being sacked - but they certainly didn;t use retainers with plenty of the other members of their managerial graveyard
     
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  12. Solid Air 2

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    did ok in his second as well
     
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  13. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    A more amenable arrangement would be to
    have a 'no further monies' clause enacted the
    moment you take work with an entity that is
    no direct commercial threat to your previous
    employer.
     
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  14. SpursDisciple

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    Agree. I meant till the end of the season
     
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    The Huddlefro Well-Known Member

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    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...tus-andrea-agnelli-fabio-paratici-plusvalenze

    The centrality of Paratici to Juve’s current scandals, as expressed in this piece, and the character it implies, really has to cast more serious doubt than ever on Levy’s ability to do the due diligence on an appointment, if it’s true.

    Also interesting to draw comparisons in the revenue diversification efforts of Juventus and Spurs post-new stadium build. Hopefully that, and the association with Paratici, is where the similarities end.
     
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  16. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Cheating, match-fixing and fraud? It is the history of the Juventus.

    Paratici sounds dodgy as **** in that article.
    He was at Juventus for the most sustained success in their history, but at what cost?
    It seems to have been going on when he was in lower positions, too.
    Was he responsible or is he being scapegoated after leaving? The timing is a bit odd.
     
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  17. humanbeingincroydon

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    Unless I missed something Beppe Marotta doesn't appear to have been named in the investigation at any point, which certainly smells as he was Paratici's direct superior for a few years - including the period the investigation covered
     
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    A little odd that Chris Powell isn't involved in some capacity, but this does look like we're seeing if Ryan Mason can do the job on his own
     
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  20. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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