Apart from free kicks, the stats on the "Squad performance watch" for goals scored via headers/corners has been good. If he can bring the former up to a similar level, that would be great.
The fact we did not approach Poch must say something about how Levy still feels towards him - I assume there remains ill feeling and he did not fancy another wrangle if things did not go well. I would think that any manager who comes to us must expect to take time to reassemble our squad. Just taking the current bunch and tweaking it is not likely to get us anywhere near a trophy - we do not have players with the "must win" mentality. Although no managerial contract could guarantee not to be sacked any manager who does not warn Levy that it will take time to rebuild is setting himself up to fail. I would be happier to see us embark on a two or three year rebuilding programme than expect instant success from where we are
I would contend that their philosophy for the game is a big factor, whether always held or due to being immersed in a certain environment. Cloughie revered players such as Hoddle. St Nicholson was a Spurs player during the reign of Arthur Rowe (Rowe lauded for his use of "push and run" - I have heard some state that Nicholson took it to the zenith with the Double side) . And so on.
There were a few reports that Levy wanted Poch but this was opposed by other Board members and Paratici.
Interesting. I'm actually going there in June (its in Orkney), little did I realise the full implications!
Quite a few sources have suggested that the main obstacle to Poch returning was actually Donna Cullen. Levy was reportedly open to the idea but she put up a strong resistance. I'd love to know why but if it was out of a fear that Levy would default to relying on him as a miracle worker (again) and not back him properly (again), I make her 100% justified. Then there is also this mysterious Player Committee, comprised of two players who deserve to be there, another who is passionate but bang average and another who is better at kicking fans than footballs. I wonder what role they played in steering clear of Poch, given that three of them played for him for his entire regime here.
It seems to me that our corners have improved considerably under him, so doesn't he stay in his job through merit?
I think that most of us feel the same and as a result of avoiding it when it was an option, we're now going to have to do it, as those playets who have been carrying us are coming to the end of their time at the club. Unfortunately, it is likely to cost us any realistic chance of CL...and probably EL football, which is Levy's prime motivation. Spending enough to earn more...not win anything. We've been kicking the can down the road for a long while...now somebody is going to have to dismantle the mess of players on the club's books and try and build a competitive squad. If they have to do it under Daniel, it's ****ed from the off. He needs to be gone so that he cannot interfere anymore.
I think this one was too cryptic, Vim. 3 set piece references/puns in my original post. Appears no one got it, or I’m just not funny. but it sure as hell ain’t the latter.
Actually I contend there may be an objective means of assessing whether a Spurs manager will make it, I took the four recent managers who have taken the club upwards in PL/UEFA land and provided entertaining football in the process. So that is : BMJ, Arry, Pochettino, Conte. The pattern I see is that their first season in charge, they stabilise the performance of the squad existing for their predecessor. And then the following season things really take off. So on that basis, objectively assessing ... 1. Ramos Did not follow the pattern. 2. AVB Followed the pattern for season 1. An objective case for being removed too soon in 2013-14 ?? 3. Jose Did not follow the pattern. 4. Nuno An objective case for him getting ditched too soon (although it allowed Conte to replace him) ?? 5. Conte Followed the pattern in 2021-22 (better than expected IMHO) . It even looked like he was following the pattern this season ( +8 pts on the "season compass" after match month 1 etc) .
Wasn't the scottish prem division pretty decent back in the days (when Fergie won it). Klopp at Dortmund? Anyway i disagree with what you write fundamentally about managers. Do you think Managers make a difference towards the bottom of the league (likes of allardyce, dyche etc). If you do then surely it also makes sense they make a difference towards the top of the table too
Klopp isn't in my list. He took over a club with one of the biggest incomes in the world. It's not clear cut that he has made a big difference. Outside the top few clubs the financial advantages are much smaller so if you have a coach with a small edge it might notice. At the top end it's very hard to overcome financial disadvantages so even if the coach is above average it will be hard to identify that. Basically a 1% edge at Burnley probably gets you 5 to 10 places up the league but is nowhere near enough to get you from 5th to 3rd. I don't think anyone should stop trying to get a good coach but I think it will rarely happen particularly if you concentrate on previous performance as the main selection criterion.
Were Liverpool that rich when he joined? and did he have that much compared to the teams around him? I haven't looked at his netspend but i can't see it being very much more than spurs (admittedly their wage bill must be higher). to outperform the likes of Man City, Man United and Chelsea in that time (admittedly only 1 PL trophy) has been pretty impressive alongside a CL and a few cups whilst playing attractive footie. I think he has revolutionised their team (bar this seasons rebuild). I can't stand the scousers but that job Klopp has done has been outstanding, especially if we go by the famous wins %/PPG metric
I think there are many different ways and many managers who've made differences to England and football in general, without just needing to be the ones who've won the most. People such as Rangnick and Bielsa for instance, who despite having pretty standard managerial records and having won just about 5 legit trophies between them, are cited by many elite managers as being the influences for their current styles of coaching and management, some of these managers include Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Pochettino, Simeone and Nagelsmann. That's a huge difference maker and huge impact on the game. Our very own Arthur Rowe was one of the pioneers for push and run football, which along with a few other people and it's development over the years is a large factor in the styles and philosophies of clubs like Ajax and Barcelona, ourselves too (last few years aside) are also a club that generally prides itself on playing an attractive brand of football. To play a part in making a lasting impact like that is massive.
I can assure you not one of us thinks that .The only disappointment is we have come 2nd in both cups & league so many times .
If Mason wants to be an actual manager in the future he has a long road ahead of him. What Arteta has done very much marks him as an outlier. Mason will either need to get the right kind of teaching from the right kind of coach, or go out and learn his trade like Kompany has. I love the guy and he’s proper Spurs but him ending up as permanent manager would probably be a disaster.
