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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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    47.9%
  2. Get out

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  1. Star of David Bardsley

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    I lost a tenner yesterday and found a fiver today but Bwood-haters insist on focussing on the past and tell me I’m a fiver down.
     
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    Top Tory Donors: We won’t give the Conservative Party any more cash until it becomes Conservative again
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    Sir Rocco Forte (left) and Lord Peter Cruddas (right). "I would donate to the Conservative Party tomorrow if it reverted back to being a centre right party" says Lord Cruddas.

    Conservative tycoon Lord Peter Cruddas and hotel mogul Sir Rocco Forte say they won’t be donating to the Conservative Party again unless things change.
    Speaking to GB News, Sir Rocco – who founded the world famous chain of Rocco Forte Hotels – said the party currently doesn’t stand for anything he believes in.
    Asked if he would give them cash again, he told Camilla Tominey:

    “No. What’s the point of having a Conservative government which is following policies which have been followed for the last 15 years and haven’t delivered good growth?
    “We have a sort of social democratic government in parliament. We don’t have a Conservative government and there’s no one who really believes in driving the economy and changing the system to do that.
    “Reform UK is sort of a protest party which will take votes from the Conservative Party and if it’s allowed to grow to the level the Brexit party did, it could force the Conservatives into a different direction.”

    Sir Rocco revealed he has yet to consider donating money to Reform UK but reiterated he wouldn’t currently be giving any more to the Conservative Party.

    Sir Rocco also spoke out against Chancellor Jeremy Hunt whilst on the show saying: “I’m not a fan at all. Everything is being blamed on Liz Truss. The thing that spooked the markets, more than anything else, was the subsidy on energy costs, which then was forecast to be 150 billion. We’ve continued with subsidising energy costs and it hasn’t cost anything like that. It coincided with the Bank of England, maybe on purpose, announcing quantitative tightening on the same day as the mini-budget. Obviously, she (Liz Truss) rushed but things should have been taken much more quietly and steadily.”

    The 78-year-old donated £100,000 to back Boris Johnson in the 2019 election. Sir Rocco also previously paid for a lavish party at Brown’s Hotel in Mayfair to celebrate Mr Johnson’s victory in the Tory leadership contest. Sir Rocco told GB News he “didn’t regret” giving Boris Johnson money as he “got Brexit to happen.”

    Sir Rocco follows multi-millionaire Conservative tycoon Lord Peter Cruddas who last year stopped donating to the party after Boris Johnson was “undemocratically ousted from office.”

    Lord Cruddas, one of Britain’s richest men and a former Conservative treasurer, announced he will not give donations to the Conservative Party again until democracy is restored.

    In an interview with CIBUK last month, Lord Cruddas also said he would not donate to the party under its current leadership.

    The Tory Peer told CIBUK’s Chairman Leigh Evans:

    “At the moment if they rang me up and asked me I’d say, no! I think I as a member feel disenfranchised from the process of the way our leader was elected. Also the way the manifesto is being ignored by the current leadership.”
    Lord Cruddas added:

    “I’m still a loyal Conservative. If you look at my voting record in the House of Lords [it] is 100 percent in favour of the Conservative government.
    “I would donate to the Conservative Party tomorrow if it reverted back to being a centre right party. Unless they do that I can’t personally donate to them.”

    Lord Cruddas has since launched, together with David Campbell-Bannerman and Claire Bullivant / Conservative Post, the Conservative Democratic Organisation (CDO) which is aiming to restore party democracy and is set to hold its own conference in Bournemouth in May.
     
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    She is hugely impressive.
     
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    Agree, and maybe a future leader, which will again put ALL WHITE Labour to shame.

    Of course, the Hard Left won't like her because she's the "wrong" sort of black person and needs re-education
     
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    I recall she is very keen on being a member of trade blocs ‘strength in numbers’ I think she said. Quite funny seeing her realise the implications of this statement.

    Do you think she could explain to me why the U.K. inflation rate remains above 10%, the highest in the G7 (US 5%, Germany 7.4%, France 5.7%), with food inflation at an incredible 19%? This is the month where the big fall was expected, as the comparator month last year was when OFGEM put energy prices up by loads.
     
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    I don’t think there’s a wrong sort of black person but she has some pretty grim views assuming they’re actually her views and she isn’t just saying stuff to further her career.
     
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    You just can't accept that the black people you champion have minds of their own and may well have political views diametrically opposed to your own.

    Labour MP Rupa Huq rightly had the whip removed for such non-acceptance
     
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    She believes institutional racism doesn't exist in the UK, or at least she says she does.

    That's not a political view, it's denial of a demonstrable fact.
     
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    Maybe I just don’t like people who jump on the anti-gay and trans wagon to curry favour with their voters. She’s still one of the more likeable Tories. At least she supported Brexit before it was cool.
     
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    In which institutions is it a demonstrable fact? There are cancerous tumours (racism and misogyny mostly) in a force like the Met that need to be cut out. But those jaundices don't come down from the top.
     
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    You are being incredibly patronising of her. There's a huge argument raging atm on trans rights infringing the rights and safety of women and girls, because trans are demanding more for themselves.

    But for you, this young black woman must be doing it to further her career. You're no better than Huq.
     
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    The term doesn't mean that racism is promoted or encouraged by management. Racism is tolerated in the Met (and other police forces) and not dealt with appropriately. That's institutional racism. The same goes for the Fire Service, as recent reports have shown.

    Even the NHS has been shown to be institutionally racist....

    Racism plays a 'key part' in maternity health disparities, MPs say | UK News | Sky News

    Badenoch chooses to deny these facts to curry favour with the Tory right and further her career.
     
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    I’m hypothesising she might be given plenty of Tories, and probably politicians in general but particularly Tories, have changed their views in recent years on major topics to stay in the party and/or stay on the right side of a certain demographic.

    Like the rest of them, she’s consistently voted for various things which have made the country worse off.

    Though as I said, she’s one of the more likeable Tories, shockingly low a bar as that is.
     
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    What I've heard her say is that while race cannot be ruled out as a factor adversely influencing opportunities in the UK, there are other, bigger, factors such as geography, family structure and stability, culture and education in play.

    Hence, many white kids find themselves part of a underclass, as well as black.

    Sounds good sense to me.
     
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    Ah yes, some white kids have a bad time too, so there's no racism.
     
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    It’s not her thinking though, is it?

    And can she explain why auk inflation is so much higher than everywhere else?
     
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