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Iran v Israel - Who is the real villain?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    I want to compare it to ahmmedinajads, you have said it is only 1 word different but are unable to prove this

    No you have taken a quote from a long discussion based on world almanac figures
    how ius this holocaust denial? as I have clearly stated I dont deny jews were killed and singled out

    yes it was/is incorrect and you have made an assumption based on googling something
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Your mate Jack said it, actually.
    It's in the Guardian article that he linked to:
    http://www.not606.com/showthread.ph...real-villain?p=1619588&viewfull=1#post1619588

    "In October, when Mr Ahmadinejad quoted Khomeini, he actually misquoted him, saying not 'Sahneh roozgar' but 'Safheh roozgar', meaning pages of time or history."

    How many do you think died?

    Where did you get it from, then?
     
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  3. Hugh Briss

    Hugh Briss Well-Known Member

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    Surely even you must get tired of being a repetitive, boring, racist, British-hating, ****-for-brains, bigoted twat?

    No?

    I guess not, you have nothing else to do with your life.

    Sad **** - drop dead please...<cheers>
     
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  4. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    clarified that with the following

    the whole quote in response to someone was

    March 24, 1933, Jewish newspaper Daily Express -- 14,000,000 Jews worldwide

    World Almanac, 1933, pg. 419 -- 15,316,359,

    World Almanac, 1936, pg. 748 -- world Jewish population = 15,753,633

    World Almanac, 1938, pg. 510 -- world Jewish population = 15,748,091, with 240,000 in Germany

    American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council, 1939 -- 15,600,000

    World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population -- 15,319,359

    World Almanac, 1941, pg. 510: World Jewish Population -- 15,748,091

    World Almanac, 1942, pg. 849: World Jewish Population -- 15,192,089

    World Almanac USA, 1947, pg. 748: World Jewish Population -- 15,690,000

    Auchswits sign:

    Four million people suffered and died here at the hands of the Nazi murderers between the years of 1940 and 1945

    changed to:

    Forever let this place be a cry of despair and a warning to humanity where the Nazis murdered about one and a half million men, women, and children, mainly Jews from various countries of Europe, Auschwitz-Birkenam, 1940-1945

    While it's true that the number of Jews in Europe decreased from 10 to 9.4 million between 1928 and 1941, the entire population of Jews in rest of the world also decreased, and much of that was before they could have been exterminated in camps.

    All world almanacs show that during WWII the number of Jews in Europe remained flat, but Britannica Book of the Year reports that the number of Jews in the world increased by 600,000, or 4%.

    How could 6 million Jews (40% of all Jews and 64% of those in Europe) have died in the Holocaust if their worldwide population increased by 4%?
     
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  5. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    That doesn't clarify it at all.

    It's a simple question (or two) that you're just blatantly dodging.
    Do you think that millions of Jews died in the holocaust?
    If so, then how do you reconcile this with your view that their population increased during that time?
     
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  6. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    What you said was

    As the original statement was made by Ruhollah Khomeini, what do you think he meant by it?

    I asked for this statement

    you have stated it was in Farsi and you dont understand farsi

    so how can you assert/question what he meant?

    dont know

    cant remember
     
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  7. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    It clarifies that there was no holocaust denial, just you being a prick

    yes i believe they did

    If you would care to read the threads you posted as proof, or even the posts I highlighted. I believe the not allowing of certain questions is not right
    I should be able to question 'accepted facts' about the holocaust, or anything else for that matter, without being labelled a 'denier' or whatever

    Are the almanacs wrong?
     
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  8. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Jack linked to an article that talked about the statement.
    I didn't bring it up to him.
    The meaning of the quote was discussed quite thoroughly in that article.

    You can't make a rough estimate?
    Hundreds?
    Thousands?
    Tens of thousands?
    Millions?

    Liar.
     
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  9. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    but you cant provide khomeini's speech?
    so how can we know what he meant?

    no, the accepted figure seems to be 6 million

    islamaphobe
     
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  10. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Your claims are completely at odds with each other.
    Millions of Jews died, but there were more of them after that happened?

    As the claims about the almanacs come from the following site, I'd like to see some independent support for them:
    http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-holocaust-lies-hoax-frauds-blackflagops-hoaxarchive.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew_Watch
     
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  11. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Why would I have to provide Khomeini's speech?
    You know that you're talking crap now, so you're just going round in circles and making ridiculous accusations.

    The accepted figure?
    Do you accept it?
     
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  12. Sam Axe

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    Wow I'm confused. Millions of Jews died but their population increased <yikes>

    How exactly did that happen?
     
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  13. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    no not claims, questions. different things
    you are the only one making claims and accussations from what i can see

    I believe there are certain questions that need answering, yet to ask them gets you labelled as allsorts
    I may well be wrong about the issues around treblinka and the guy who carried out the sonar investigation may well be a twat neo nazi MF.
    there is a simple way to find out no?

    why not read the almanacs? If the info is wrong then out those making the false claims for the twats they are
    If they are correct then ask the question

    That is the only 'independent' way IMO
     
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  14. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    a few quotes from you

    The suggestion that the Ayatollah Khomeini was calling for regime change when he originally said it is ****ing laughable, frankly.

    Where are your quotes or are you just offering your opinion on what the Ayatollah said?

    As the original statement was made by Ruhollah Khomeini, what do you think he meant by it?

    The Ayatollah said exactly the same thing that Ahmadinejad did, bar one word.

    are these baseless claims then? or can you provide evidence/proof of what khomeini said and if it ties in with what you are saying?

    6 million is the accepted figure no?
    yes, however I have questions
     
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  15. Bullet tooth Tony

    Bullet tooth Tony Well-Known Member

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    They must have had a very successful recruitment drive.
     
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  16. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    So despite repeatedly linking to Neo-Nazis, you don't think that this information might be a bit dubious?

    You've also failed to notice that the information in these almanacs might not actually be accurate in the first place.
    How accurately would the worldwide numbers for any particular demographic be known in the 20s or 30s, for example?
    As it also includes figures from during the period of the holocaust, I'm guessing that Hitler wasn't keeping them entirely up to speed with how that was going.

    Those that are making these claims have already been outed as twats.
    Jew Watch is a well known anti-Semitic site with links to Stormfront and it was started by a white supremacist and separatist.
    He'd probably love your mates in the EDL.
     
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  17. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Its one of the questions that needs answering and putting to bed
     
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  18. Sam Axe

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    My head hurts
     
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  19. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I don't have any reason to disagree with the Guardian's claims that Khomeini said what they claim he said.
    Jack linked to the article that contained those claims, so I assume that he doesn't dispute them, either.

    Khomeini's view was well documented.
    Are you disputing that?

    It's not a figure that you accept though, is it?
    What figure do you believe is more accurate, roughly?
     
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  20. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    may well be, however its a valid question no? and ignoring it does no one any favours imo

    So the almanacs could be wrong, but everything else correct? FFS now you are reaching.
    Its ok to question them but who actually counted 6 million jews?

    So now I have mates in the EDL?

    you are a sad desperate little man <doh>
     
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