Some people don't seem to be able to put 2+2 together Of all the negative aspects of Brexit I regret the fact that our young people can no longer just choose to go nannying in the Alps through the winter or grape picking in Provence in late summer. As of the 1st of January 2021, UK citizens will need a Long Stay visa if staying in France or in a French Oversea territory for more than 90 days whatever the purpose of stay (work, studies, ICT, Au Pairing, passport talent, visitor, family reunification, family members of French nationals, etc.). Working in the Schengen area without a work permit is also illegal (even if less than 90 days) and can likewise result in a re-entry ban to the Schengen area. Depending on the Member State administrative penalties may also apply.
I dont know much about how easy it is do ski seasons etc. I do know that eu money for reasearchers isnt coming in like it was pre brexit. That is hampering some of our young people whose opportunities seem limited by no longer being part of the eu. I am sure there are other real world examples as well. Maybe there are things better post brexit, certainly our ability to be first to stand by ukraine was one. Personally though I would see it rolled back tomorrow. I know plenty disagree, and that is fair enough, but from my little world it has been a bad call and I see no improvements whoever is the goverment.
Well I’m replying to one of them, so you are saying our young people are to stupid or to lazy to fill in a form, I hope they never want to go to America. Again you never answered do you think it would be the same if your EU mates weren’t trousering billions of pounds every day to run their little kingdom.
It's not a case of just filling in a form, you're totally missing the point. I said 'people can't just decide to go anymore'. They have to have a job offer before they even consider going. Then they have to apply for a work permit which isn't automatically granted. While, in the meantime, people from 25 other countries can just decide to turn up which obviously gives them a huge advantage. If you can't see that there's no point discussing it.
So you mean plan ahead like you do when you book a holiday. Or do you believe they wake up and think oh! I think I’ll be a nanny in Paris tomorrow?
Both mate, in my opinion anyway. We agreed access to the research pots, but then the ireland protocol seemed to put it all on hold. So over the last 2 years avcess hasnt been there. Then there is the human nature side of things, which for me is a worry. I dont see why the EU will do anything to make us better off than we were, it is absolutely not in their interests. So the best we can hope for is parity, but that seems a pipe dream to me.
I honestly believe if they did not exist, like before they had all this power no one voted for, their would be no problem at all.
Thousands of young British girls have done that for decades ... ... then they could, now they can't. It's not just filling in a form, as you claim, it's a lengthy procedure. The French, etc, are highly protective of their jobs so will think nothing of refusing work permits to Brits. Many job adverts now, for certain areas abroad, are insisting on an EU passport. So young British people getting for their first passport won't evenbe allowed to apply.
They have always been protective of there jobs, so whose made it harder now, us or the eu bureaucrats, somehow I don’t think it’s us but you probably do.
You might well be right mate. It is hard to disagree to be honest. My point is though they do exist. Us electing to come out doesnt mean they dont continue. It means they do so without any influence from us. I think it will mean forever we are on the outside whatever benefits available wont be for us, or we will get a lesser benefit. They will always favour their own members over us. I also have always felt a strength in numbers approach is worthwhile. Not sure being out of the club is a good place to be. In my opinion our economy isnt strong enough to flourish alone. I suppose my argument is I would rather be on the inside trying to influence and change, than just walking away and hoping we are better off alone. All about opinions though.
Of course they'll make it harder for us to work there, I just said that. Why shouldn't they, we've made things harder for them.
The lib dems said they would rejoin if elected. That was a disaster of a policy i seem to remember. Even Remainers saw that as undemocratic and stayed well clear of that idea. Any party who would want back in the EU would need to go through another referendum. One which i would think they would win cos more remainers or previous dont knows would get up off their arses and vote. Another referendum however would be a total embarrasment for the country, walking up to the EU cap in hand and slapped wrist? Would the EU want us back? And if they let us back would we have a seat at the top table? No, we'd be on the naughty step. I suspect it will be generations before any idea of rejoining would be acceptable for all involved. We both need to allow for the dust to settle.
