Well politics is a dirty business, most politicians will wallow in it and blame someone else for the low blows. Trump and Bonko to a certain extent revelled in it. During the tory leadership campaign, Truss absolutely slammed the fragrant Penny.
Certainly not, tories look after the wealthy, Labour looks after the hard working man or woman. What you have to do is win... Starmer, may be boring but he is ruthless... he is a winner
I think there is a big difference between Starmer winning and the Tories losing or do you think he is? Honest question, I hate them both.
My take on this is a bit different mate. It is a scandalous claim to make about anybody. Not many can reach the low this one does. About a year ago Johnson made the despicable claim that Starmer failed to prosecute Saville. It was a scandalous claim that rightly had people up in arms. Starmer was furious claiming he was no symapthiser for *****philes. He said, quite rightly, politics must not be carried out with this sort of commentary. He was then subject to abuse in the street and he rightly again said this was a direct consequence of Johnsons horrendous comments. Starmer has positioned himself as the politician of decency and standards. He has talked about the need for civility in politics. Now it seems his party is undermining all he talks of. How can he sit back and watch Sunak be accused of not wanting pardophiles to go to prison. Does it mean he is sitting back knowing Sunak may be abused in the street and think that is ok because it is his party on the front foot now. Does he now think gutter politics is ok and his previous aspiration for courtesy and decency are worthless now. I think it is entirely hypocritical. I realise people think the time to judge him is either when the GE is announced, or when he is in power. For me though he is our next PM and his standards and behaviour are on show for all to see. He must be scrutinised. He has been trotting around on a moral high horse, which is fine, but all of a sudden he has jumped off it, or so it seems. I find it lamentable really, in the same way I find the tories lamentable. Maybe I being unfair though on Starmer. I see the labour party have doubled down and claimed Sunak doesnt think those carrying guns with intent to harm should go to prison. Delightfully the twitter account of some secret barrister called them tedious fools because there is no such offense that labour accuse Sunak of ignoring. You have to laugh really at what seems a complete lack of knowledge. Maybe we will get some of these fact checks tomorrow. The figures they base the child abuse claims on are partly during a period when sunak was a hedge fund manager and starmer was on some courts sentencing committee. The blatantly obvious reality is neither would think a child sex offender should not be in prison. Talk about shooting yourself in both feet. It does make me think Starmer hasnt signed off on these tory style campaign releases though. He is no idiot, and he knows the law. Why he has gone all radio silence is a mystery though. I find it sad and pathetic all at once. A party handed a massive majority off the back of one of the worst goverments in memory for standards and decency, feel the need with a 20 point lead to scrape the barrel. Like John McDonnel so eloquently says, if they are confident in themselves and ready to govern, this sort or campaigning is not necessary, they can afford to be much better. Get back on that moral high horse Keir, as quick as possible, if that really is the leader you are. You will win a bigger landslide by being decent in the current climate. Nobody wants the sort of bile spouted today, we have had enough of it.
Clean moral politics is not going to happen and probably has never happened. Many tories are using 'dog whistle' policies atm in order to shore up there vote... Labour is going to answer fire with fire... it is going to be a long and dirty election campaign. Mud is going to be slung and some of it will stick...
You may well be right. It does though show Starmer up as a hypocrite in my opinion. Another massive majority awaits without any social conscience it seems.
Labour look after the students and unemployed as that is the largest target of swing voters in the country rather than the people the party was created to represent
Refugees are apparently being allocated boats instead of hotels now, and there aren't enough ! Refugee, when leaving his delapidated boat "Good morning. I almost died out there but I made it and I'm okay. Where's the hotel ?" Border staff "No hotel . . . . we're putting you on a boat." Refugee "I just got off a boat !" Border staff "Fecking Tories !"
It’s just took me sixty three years to figure this out, but you’re spot on marra,but who does look after the working class now?
Labour are far better than the Tories. End of discussion. The local and general elections will be a landslide.
Without a doubt Labour will win the next election. I’m far from convinced it will be the landslide that some seem to think. There’s signs now that Rishi is clawing back the difference but very marginally and he certainly won’t be able to do enough to turn the tables by the time the GE comes around.
Well in the last 60+ years the Tories have been in power more than twice as long as Labour, so obviously everyone doesn’t agree with your “ End of discussion “
I have mentioned this in the past. My Mam was a shopsteward for 30 years, after she retired at the next election she said "l will not be voting Labour as they are the working class party and during my working life they done nowt for me" She never voted Labour again.
I don't understand why people cling to these stereotypes about the two main parties. They don't stand up to scrutiny if you look at the history of the parties without any kind of bias. The basic fact is that any party needs the vote of the working man to get in to power, so they have to appeal to the working man. Or, at least, they should do. Right now, I don't see how either party appeals to the average person. They are relying on these old stereotypes and deeply held biases. And Labour are relying on the fact the Conservatives have made themselves appear so untrustworthy. As a floating voter, neither party appeals to me. This is a massive opportunity for a party with sensible, decent policies that the majority of people can get behind.
