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Thomas Frank & Johan Lange (& Fabio Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Your Preference For Ange’s Replacement

  1. Thomas Frank

  2. Andoni Iraola

  3. Simone Inzaghi

  4. Marco Silva

  5. Roberto Di Zerbi

  6. Other (state in comments)

  7. Oliver Glasner

  8. Xavi

  9. Mauricio Pochettino

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  1. Tilly'sowner

    Tilly'sowner Well-Known Member

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    Spurs have had more successes with managers that hadn’t won anything previously. They don’t tend to come with preconceived ideas out with an ego that needs massaging.

    I’m coming to the idea that we should see how Stellini does for the remainder of the season and perhaps consider keeping him on if he does well.

    He knows the players, the club, appears to behave with humility and the players respond to him. He won’t be seduced by the more grandiose clubs for a long time if he were a success. He won’t be demanding players that cost in excess of £100m each.

    You may think I’m daft but I’m quite frankly fed up with being disappointed everytime we get a new manager and it goes Pete Tong.

    Perhaps a different approach is best this time round.
     
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  2. Spurf

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    Not daft at all. The manager game is a lottery we might just as well employ an unknown, other PL clubs manage without famous names.
    My priority would be to move to Northern Europe to recruit. No more spagetti.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    German sources seem determined to make Nagelsmann to Chelsea happen, with Christian Falk and Florian Plettenberg coming up with on scenario after another, the latest being that Christopher Vivell joined Chelsea as technical director in December so that must mean Nagelsmann wants to work with him again

    However, looking further afield, I noticed something: some of the other names being linked with the Chelsea job look awfully familiar
    Poch
    Luis Enrique
    Ruben Amorim

    Is there any way we can plant stories about us considering Steve Bruce as our next manager?
     
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  4. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Probably hot takes but I (still) think Potter would be very good for us and I also think Rodgers would be too, albeit he’s a monumental bellend.

    I’ve said before the reputation of the manager no longer bothers me but their style of management does and both are progressive managers (or head coaches) that I feel could coach some of these players far better than a more pragmatic tactical manager like Conte could, who is far better at managing elite clubs with big egos and achieving big targets.

    The main issue with hiring both is from the initial outset, they wouldn’t appease fans with their appointments. Potter’s another ex-Chelsea manager (that’s flopped) and we’re sick of them frankly, whilst Rodgers has just been sacked by a club below us in the Prem due to fears of relegation (and he’s a cock) but that doesn’t really paint a fair reflection on Rodgers’ management there as for large parts he built an exciting team that played good football, finished well in a couple of consecutive seasons and also won a trophy but the team was then somewhat dismantled and hasn’t been adequately replaced (we’re familiar with that!) which has led them to drop like they have.

    There’s legitimately about 8-10 managers I’d take at Spurs at the moment, possibly even more, they’d be two I’d be open to, though I can’t help but feel that despite there being a considerable amount of decent options we’ll somehow still manage to **** it up and hire the wrong fit.
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    One thing to add to this is that it's not just the manager we need to get right, but also their coaching team

    Bringing in Conte's usual coaching team is a large part of why we're somehow where we are in the table right now and have been all season because they know how to get that little bit extra out of the squad, which is a marked improvement on the coaching team we had during the ubermensch's tenure where the fitness coaches were so good at their jobs that several of our players looked flabbier than they did under Poch or Conte, while Joao Sacramento managed to piss off a bunch of players by acting like he'd arrived and somehow forgot he was the AssMan so, no, he hadn't arrived and was instead acting like a complete knobhead
     
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  6. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    As I've said elsewhere, attacking football being the
    primary creed is what I expect of a Spurs manager.
    My opinions on this have been further strengthened
    by doing some navel-gazing :
    https://www.not606.com/threads/the-way-forward-for-thfc.405612/page-17#post-16610898

    Therefore, what trophies they have won is not as
    important to ne as the manner in which they got to
    the position to be able to win each trophy.
     
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  7. Citizen Kane.

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    I'd be very nervous about Brendan. Putting aside his personality for a moment and focusing purely on the football, the way his strong Leicester side bottled CL football on the last day of the season (twice! - including an appallingly bad home defeat to one of the worst Spurs sides in recent history) has to be viewed with some concern and very much echoed the way his otherwise brilliant Liverpool side bottled the title with 3 games to go.

    There is definitely a mentality/motivation/game management issue there imo, despite the domestic pots he's won over the years.
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    You can view it from two separate angles in fairness, yes they did bottle 4th but finishing 5th twice with Leicester is still a very good achievement, it’d be like saying Martin Jol bottled 4th during Lasagne-gate when in reality 5th was still a good achievement for us back then. Newcastle are arguably this year’s Spurs 06 or Leicester 19-21, whether they secure top 4 or just miss out it’ll have been a good season for them and Howe.

    As for Pool, he can definitely shoulder some of the blame as the Palace draw in their penultimate game could be seen as poor game management and motivation but the Gerrard slip in the game before is something no one can really take into account from a managerial perspective, that’ll haunt both Rodgers and Gerrard til their graves.

    He isn’t my first nor second nor even third choice but Rodgers is the style of manager/ head coach that I think would fit a lot of the criteria for the role and I wouldn’t be left scratching my head over his appointment like I was for someone like Nuno.
     
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  9. Alfie Conn

    Alfie Conn Well-Known Member

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    I seem to remember Danny Baker saying that all managers should be drawn from a hat at the start of the season , that would sort out the men from the boys but knowing our luck we would get Pulis or Pardew
     
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  10. remembercolinlee

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    Disagree with the Jol analogy tbh.
    In 2020 they were in 3rd place 9 points clear of 5th with just 11 games to go.

    They were 8 points clear of 5th with just 8 games to go.

    They blew that lead in just 6 games and then to united on the last day to come 5th.

    In their last 11 games they won just 3 games drew three and lost the rest.
    And their run in was pretty easy tbf.
    They lost to United, Spurs (3-0), Everton, Bournemouth (4-1) and Norwich. They drew with Watford, Brighton and Arsenal.
    Norwich, Bournemouth and Watford were all relegated. Arsenal finished 10th, Everton 11th, Brighton 16th and us 7th.

    That's a terrible capitulation by any standards.

    The following season they were again 3rd, 8 points clear of 5th with 9 games to go.

    They were 5 points clear with just 4 games to go.

    In their last 5 matches they won 1 drew 1 lost 3...they drew with Southampton (nearly relegated) and lost to Newcastle (finished 12th) , Chelsea and the worst spurs team in over a decade (even though they were 2-1 up with 10 mins to go at home!).

    That's as bad as the previous season although winning the FA Cup kind of hid it.

    In 2006, we were massively unlucky with the illness that swept through the squad.

    By game week 30 we were in 4th just 2 points ahead of 5th place.

    After that we were 4 points ahead with 4 games to go but 5th place Arsenal had a game in hand.

    Honestly don't think the the situations are comparable.
     
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  11. PleaseNotPoll

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    For anyone keeping an eye on Arne Slot, Feyenoord won again and Ajax drew.
    That puts his side 8 points clear at the top of the Eredivisie with 7 games to play.
    The two sides face each other in their cup semi-final on Wednesday.
     
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  12. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I don’t actually disagree with much of what you’ve said but ultimately bottling positions are only staunchly defended by those who’ve bottled them and they’ll give valid (or invalid) reasoning as to why it happened, the wider footballing community will just see a team that was in a position of power who let that slip at the death.

    For Leicester to have bottled 4th twice when they were probably expected to have finished around 10th will have been bittersweet for their fans, annoying they couldn’t get over the line but appreciative that they still exceeded initial expectations and so whilst you can take certain negatives from that to use against Rodgers, he still done an overall good job to have had a team like Leicester fighting for those positions, to cap one of his seasons with them with an FA Cup too and I’d say his tenure there was quite successful on the whole. It eventually ended badly but no matter what manager and what club, if you sell key players or they decline with age and you fail to adequately replace them then it catches up with you. That’s what kind of happened with us and Poch really, if that dreadful 19/20 summer wasn’t dreadful, then he’d arguably still be in a job if Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon actually resembled professional footballers, there were of course other factors at play but that one was a real huge nail in the coffin for me.
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

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    Weren't these two £100m-worth of his insistence, though?
    I've no idea what he was thinking with the former, in particular.
    Totally ineffective for any way that Pochettino has ever tried to play.
     
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  14. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Some random journo called Artur Petrosyan is claiming Poch’s rep is in London to discuss a return.

    Unless I’m mistaken, I thought Poch done all his deals himself, pretty sure he doesn’t have an agent, though I suppose a representative could be anything.

    Likely nothing in this though tbh.
     
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  15. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I think many felt, including on here (let alone presumably Poch and co) that Ndombele was Dembele with assists and goals… instead he was Dembele without the fitness, quality, strength, mentality and work rate.

    **** knows the thought process in the Lo Celso deal though, especially as it was seemingly a toss-up between him and Bruno Fernandes, the latter’s a massive twat but a top player.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Lo Celso made perfect sense on paper because Poch wanted to an AM who could make late runs into the box and score goals, which both Lo Celso and Fernandes were doing the previous season, with Lo Celso edging it as he combined Dele's ability to sneak into the box with Lamela's grittiness (which also suggests that Poch was considering letting Dele go, given we heavily invested in a direct replacement for him)

    The problem was that, because Ndombele was so ineffective at replicating the Dembele role that the ball wasn't getting into the final third in no small part due to A CERTAIN RHOMBOID FORMATION, we wound up playing Lo Celso in the Dembele role within a few months while Ndombele was sent to Fat Camp - and it's likely the exact same thing would've happened with Fernandes if he was signed instead

    If the fee we spent on Ndombele was instead split between two better balanced CMs, for the sake of argument let's say Tielemans & Hojbjerg, for one thing we wouldn't have had that absurd formation switch and we'd have been playing closer to a style of play which Lo Celso/Fernandes could have exploited
     
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  17. The Huddlefro

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    It’s also fair to say that GLC has played his best football for Argentina as a progressive 8 in a midfield 3. Questionable attitude around international breaks aside, his issues at Spurs have stemmed from being injury prone and never having locked down a position that suits him, both made worse by the fact that the pace and physicality of the PL just isn’t for him.
     
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  18. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    He didn’t make perfect sense though because we all knew Eriksen’s contract situation and his intention to leave so Fernandes would’ve made far more sense in replacing him as there’s similarities in their games. There’s almost nothing comparable with Eriksen and Lo Celso - especially now with hindsight having had a chance to watch both.

    The Argentine was utter horse **** and the fact he proved an even worse signing than a fat guy with a shocking mentality tells you how badly we got it wrong with him.
     
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  19. BluefromBridgend

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    Or Warnock!!!
     
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  20. PleaseNotPoll

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    Drew with Norwich, beat Millwall and Boro. Doing well is Colin.
     
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