I have some biases now, but I came to my position from a totally neutral standpoint (agnostic, no ancestry to either race or country) etc... and simply came to my conclusions through my own observations. On your point about the IRA. I only learned what the troubles were as they were finishing so wouldnt have been alive or aware as to the situation regarding US support for the IRA as it was happening. But your comparison is a bad one as you are comparing official US funding and arming an army to wage their own proxy war causing massive numbers of casualties. This isnt really comparable with comparitively minute undercover funding of an anti-occupation movement by small sympathetic elements in American society,
I disagree jackie has presented forth an opinion. He has not called for Iran to be given immunity/accepted or even said its regime is what we should aim/aspire towards The arguments against all try and justify/protect Israel. Based on the media institutions you allude to The reality is that Iran has to a large extent kept itself to itself. Israel is in convention of UN resolutions, its government ministers face arrst if they enter britain for war crimes and if the UN was to recognise palestine as a state then Israel would be in trouble for war crimes Its this 'buying in' to propaganda that is being highlighted and NOT one is better as such As mentioned many times before, the PLO leader yasser arafat was married to a jew, saddam husseins right hand man Tariq Aziz was a christian, one of the most loved leaders of pakistan was a woman (benazir bhutto). Iran has a jew in its parliament despite the fact that representation in the parliament is based on numbers and the jews dont hit that number. yet in all arguments the 'muslims' hate jews, christians and oppress women FACT is the cry jews shouldnt even be a race, its a religion.
The quote is the same, bar one word. Where are your quotes or are you just offering your opinion on what the Ayatollah said? Any opinion on his Rushdie fatwa? As usual you're not even reading what people post in response to your comments. I haven't made a single claim about what he said or how it should be translated, bar pointing out that the context of the rest of his speech reveals his real intention. Did you read the whole speech and if so, what do you think that I meant by that? What have I said that's anti-Iran? Because...?
So why would you accuse anyone else of being bias then? The hypocrisy is just ridiculous. The funding and scale doesn't really matter, you can't complain about one thing then let another slip. The US funded a Tyrant and a terrorist organisation both of whom take the lives of innocent people and are therefore just as bad but you choose to let one slip. That's beside the point i'm making anyway i'm trying to show how pointless this debate is because of both sides hypocrisy and dogmatism.
I just said they were incomparable, I didnt glorify or try to justify the funding for the IRA in any way
Actually, the number of deaths is generally believed to be a lot less than you claim and how does Black September alter the number of Arabs killed by the Zionist animals illegal use of collective punishment?
I have found it to be fascinatingly educational. While i dont think anyone's stance will have been changed I would hope we have all learned something that has maybe made us soften stance or given us more background knowledge on the issue to be able to make better independant judgements on the issue. I know I have. What is the point in researching one side and building up a big one sided opinion and paranoia complex without trying to hear what people with differing views have to say.
you havent provided a quote as yet, with regards to what khomeini said I did ask for it as for the race thing no matter how anyone tries to dress this up the Jews have never been a race. they share a religion but not ancestory.
Do you have some sort of psychological block that prevents you from answering a straight question? The Ayatollah said exactly the same thing that Ahmadinejad did, bar one word. It wasn't in English and the translation is disputed, so what would the point in me quoting it here be? Dodged the fatwa question. Dodged the question about what I've said that's anti-Iranian. Jews don't share ancestry? Some of them clearly do.
Anti Zionism does not equate to anti Semitism. Anti collective punishment does not equate to anti Semitism. The question isn't "who do we care for the most". It asks who is the real villain. My thoughts are that both are guilty of bad things, but the Arabs are mere amateurs in the murder game when compared with the Zionists. Consider yourself corrected & no charge for the education
Firstly, I've not issued an opinion about any of the other countries assassinating people. Secondly, we're talking about the assassination of an author of fiction, not some military or political target. Regardless of your feelings about the latter, I don't think that they're connected to those about the former.
Arabs have murdered and continue to murder their fellow Arabs on a scale unimaginable by Israel defending herself from Arab aggression. I respectfully suggest you do a little research into this and leave your rabid anti-Semetism off the Forum.
Anti Zionism is the latest manifestation of anti Semitism For centuries Jews were told go to your own country we don't want to live with you Now it's we want to live in your country why won't you let us
Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.” Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.” Zionist reliance on Anti-Semitism to further their goals continues to this day. Studies of immigration records reflect increased immigration to the Zionist state during times of increased anti-Semitism. Without a continued inflow of Jewish immigrants to the state of "Israel", it is estimated that within a decade the Jewish population of the Zionist state will become the minority. In order to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of "Israel", its leaders promote anti-Semitism throughout the world to "encourage" Jews to leave their homelands and seek "refuge". http://www.truetorahjews.org/antisemitism
can you provide a quote of what khomeini said? yes or no. I will answer your questions once you answer my 1. also I like your athiest jews concept, It makes me wonder if the israeli zionists are killing the muslim jews? as the jews of palestine became muslim
