Off Topic Israel

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Anyone see Michael Palin at the weekend, the old 'pole to pole' series. He visted Estonia and Ukraine, as the USSR crumbled. He actually had someone on the programme talking about Ukraine's future freedom, and this was back in 1991/92.
Yeah I saw that .
How things have changed since those days of seemingly hopeful world calmness .
Gone back 50 years in a short space of time .
 
The israelis are still land grabbing right now aren't they? Similar to what the ruskies are doing

Yup ...safe in the knowledge that with complete yank backing and anybody else in the world raising an eyebrow being labelled as anti-semitic or even 'Nazi' ... they can continue flouting International Law with complete impunity... certainly with little fear of serious objections from non-arab foreign governments ... completely disgraceful ...
 
They already control the land. They're just kicking Palestinians out of more and more of it and setting up more and more of their own colonies on the confiscated land.

So sort of ethnic cleansing the area.

I guess that's where the Ukrainians learnt it from in dombas.

Maybe if we are allies with the Russians in 50 years time we will give Putin a medal for defending his invaded lands instead of putting him in the war crimes list for moving on ukrainian kids.

Until then those damn dirty ruskies better watch out we sending the drones in
 
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So sort of ethnic cleansing the area.

I guess that's where the Ukrainians learnt it from in dombas.


The point is, in the middle east both sides have blood on their hands and are guilty. The middle east is absolutely not black and white. Israel probably much more guilty in recent decades than Palestine, but Israel was attacked by surrounding nations wanting it to be destroyed from day one after declaration of statehood. It doesn't justify apartheid, but the Arabs and Israelis both have fault for the wars there.. To say "Israel bad, Palestine good" is a massive simplification.

As for Ukraine, it has not made any aggressive moves.towards Russia. It wants to join NATO and EU, which obviously Russia sees as a potential threat in the future but Ukraine is more a pawn caught between two powers rather than an aggressor itself the way the Arab states have been at times to Israel. It's unfair to paint Ukraine as the same as Palestine. Some of the crazy far right might fall in line and make excuses for Russia (and yes, can understand why Russia was concerned) but Ukraine did not start this war.
 
The point is, in the middle east both sides have blood on their hands and are guilty. The middle east is absolutely not black and white. Israel probably much more guilty in recent decades than Palestine, but Israel was attacked by surrounding nations wanting it to be destroyed from day one after declaration of statehood. It doesn't justify apartheid, but the Arabs and Israelis both have fault for the wars there.. To say "Israel bad, Palestine good" is a massive simplification.

As for Ukraine, it has not made any aggressive moves.towards Russia. It wants to join NATO and EU, which obviously Russia sees as a potential threat in the future but Ukraine is more a pawn caught between two powers rather than an aggressor itself the way the Arab states have been at times to Israel. It's unfair to paint Ukraine as the same as Palestine. Some of the crazy far right might fall in line and make excuses for Russia (and yes, can understand why Russia was concerned) but Ukraine did not start this war.

It's a complete straw man argument. The Palestinians are not the surrounding nations ffs. They live on the same land the Israelis occupy. You can harp on about Egypt, Syria and even Jordan if you like. Has fck all to do with anything though. The Israeli's used those conflicts as a land grab from the Palestinians.

Btw also look at what happened to the Palestinians, their villages, towns decimated in the 1948 creation of Israel. They're now either all owned by Israelis or no longer exist. Millions became refugees in countries like Jordan and Syria.

Everything the Israelis have done (with the exception of Yitzak Rabin and maybe Shimon Perez) has been geared towards ethnic cleansing.

Look at this **** btw...

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Looks a fckin' nazi except he's an Israeli war criminal and considered a hero by them.
 
It's a complete straw man argument. The Palestinians are not the surrounding nations ffs. They live on the same land the Israelis occupy. You can harp on about Egypt, Syria and even Jordan if you like. Has fck all to do with anything though. The Israeli's used those conflicts as a land grab from the Palestinians.

Btw also look at what happened to the Palestinians, their villages, towns decimated in the 1948 creation of Israel. They're now either all owned by Israelis or no longer exist. Millions became refugees in countries like Jordan and Syria.

Everything the Israelis have done (with the exception of Yitzak Rabin and maybe Shimon Perez) has been geared towards ethnic cleansing.

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Looks a fckin' nazi except he's an Israeli war criminal and considered a hero by them.

zionism = nazism
 
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English pride

Users forget promises and morals

our forces need to realise they are just a corporation tool and they don’t mind anyone losing a life for the future contracts init
 
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Under the proposed US peace plan, the one the Trump administration designed, would Palestine essentially just be the equivalent of a Native American reserve inside Israel?

It would be completely under the control of the Israeli government who would have full control of what comes in and out of it?
 
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Under the proposed US peace plan, the one the Trump administration designed, would Palestine essentially just be the equivalent of a Native American reserve inside Israel?

It would be completely under the control of the Israeli government who would have full control of what comes in and out of it?

Sounds like a great deal for the one side that peace if you do as we tell you.

fk that they won’t do what they’re told to
 
Sounds like a great deal for the one side that peace if you do as we tell you.

fk that they won’t do what they’re told to

It's peace in the sense that with every new proposal the Palestinian state is getting smaller and smaller with less rights.

Werent the very original proposal one which left Israel and Palestine roughly the same size

Now Palestine is ****ing tiny
 
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Under the proposed US peace plan, the one the Trump administration designed, would Palestine essentially just be the equivalent of a Native American reserve inside Israel?

It would be completely under the control of the Israeli government who would have full control of what comes in and out of it?



Trump was very pro Israel very anti "brown skinned middle easterners who worship funny God". Trump would have gladly turned aside and let Israel have the entire middle east... Except for Saudi Arabia... Fine folks those Sauds if you overlook all their human rights abuses... They have lots of money to give him.
 
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Trump was very pro Israel very anti "brown skinned middle easterners who worship funny God". Trump would have gladly turned aside and let Israel have the entire middle east... Except for Saudi Arabia... Fine folks those Sauds if you overlook all their human rights abuses... They have lots of money to give him.

the problem is we can’t call the kettle black can we
 
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When the Rothschild cartel bought Israel it wasn’t for sale but Balfour declared its good for the taking

So with a little help from the zionist movement who just out of coincidence have thy men in the right places(they still do) of power and influence they got the declaration they wanted

So yeah real Jews will wait for their messiah to return before they have thy kingdom as the prophecies written in thy Torah stated……fake Jews oppress others ask the real Jews in Israel who fight for Palestinian sovereignty and inclusion

deeper down the rabbit hole and you will see the sabbatean frankists playing the devils hand on human perceptions init
 
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The Israelis are defending their land from terrorist-occupied Palestine, using brute force. If you slap a bear in the face, don’t be surprised when it rips your ****ing head off.
 
The Israelis are defending their land from terrorist-occupied Palestine, using brute force. If you slap a bear in the face, don’t be surprised when it rips your ****ing head off.

... by 'terrorist occupied Palestine' I assume you are referring to the generations of Palestinians not willing to just accept forced ejection from parts of their country that have occurred since the establishment of Israel and its' subsequent illegal (under International law) land grabbing ?
 
... by 'terrorist occupied Palestine' I assume you are referring to the generations of Palestinians not willing to just accept forced ejection from parts of their country that have occurred since the establishment of Israel and its' subsequent illegal (under International law) land grabbing ?

Or Hamas, who launch indiscriminate attacks at Israel then start to cry when Israel responds with 1000x the force.

If you pick a fight with somebody, do you expect them to hit you only as hard as you can hit them?