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I liked Blair and his ‘New Labour’ when he was first elected.
Finally I thought that my country was being run by a sensible bunch of intellectuals who had the national interest at the heart of everything they did.
I was pleased with the Good Friday agreement - largely brokered by the (very sick) Mo Mowlam.
I was also impressed by a Prime Minister who could stand up and conduct an interview in a foreign language.

Then, there was the Iraq war…………..

That was that.
I’ve never liked a party or a politician since. They are all ****ers of the highest order and a disgrace to their position.

EDIT - except Hilary Benn.

 

Sometimes you have to look beyond the surface or investigate the bigger picture ..
Heat pumps are not designed to heat water to the recommended beyond 45degree C safety level. Not going to enter into the physics of water temperature and the curve of heat v energy required as most schools teach that or did in my day! SO VERY EFFECTIVE in that aspect. main target of the heat pump is suppling something like a temperature of 20c to a room at minimal cost.

ALTHOUGH NOT SOUTH FACING 10 years ago was quoted £9800 to have roof panels for solar, a sweetner was taken around to house with roof same as mine who had it for 6 month's and shown their bills and spoke about it . I was told 10 - 12 years to get your money back [ in 6 months a sum of what had been for them so far = about 14 years still to go! ] DURING COVID I spoke to them, and they said will have paid for itself by end of year!

 

I voted for them back then when they took over ... start of all our oil revenue from North sea.. we never had it so good .. so good in fact that typical labour .gov screwed it up again and left us in a black hole ...

 

I voted for them too John. They were ‘almost’ good back then.

 

Crack on and believe what you are told.. like I said, I just keep an open mind and imo a lot of what Icke says does have food for thought.. I actually do think measures are there and created to control society and I do think most of it is corrupt in aid of wealthy establishments at the cost of the mass.
I’m not convinced by scaremonger of the global warming craze, Certainly a good money maker and vote puller as was gas and diesel not too long ago..
I could go on, but I know there’s no point. I for one don’t trust anything that’s reported by biased news channels and media..
I also didn’t buy into all the Covid measures & vaccination nonsense either..
Oh and so you believe the likes of the BBC do you?

 

Spot on Wiz.

 

I get that, but with a starting price of around £13k heat pumps are beyond a lot of people

 

I agree, prices will come down. iN 2002 I had to take 2 roof solar panels to South London from a company I think was in Avonmouth.. they were costed at some terribly high price if one or other or both got damaged in transit if memory serves they were collectively about £2k ..nowadays I think about £300-£400 each?
OF course the feed in tariff back then was very high! so use and rebate would have helped!
Dont know how it works with heat pumps ... but insulation is part of the cost!?

 

I've got opinions about most things and knowledge of far fewer, but one thing I do know is about heat pumps. Their efficacy is grossly over-hyped and the installation frenzy is driven by eco warrior concerns, not practicality nor performance.

Even with the grant available, the installation costs are eye watering even for air source heat pumps - if you want ground source (geothermal) heat pumps then better take out a mortgage. Some people are duped into believing the cost of installing is limited to the external hardware, connection and commissioning, but there are far more factors to consider.

Gas/oil fired boiler systems chuck the water around your radiators at around 75 to 80 degrees which are sized accordingly per room based on that. With heatpumps you'd be hardpressed to achieve a 55 degree flow and that means your rads will be grossly undersized. You'd need to upgrade (oversize) all your radiators to provide an equivelent heating output.

Heatpumps are also very poor at providing the heat when you most need it in the dead of winter. The external air temperature from where the heat is extracted is so low the efficiency of conversion drops like a stone.

The point about upgrading household insulation and eliminating draft losses is also valid, but if you did that anyway with current gas/oil based heating systems, the savings made both in cash terms and eco concerns would push heatpump promotions further down the road.

 

That’s more or less what I’d heard as well OS but you did a better job of explaining it !
I shan’t be having a heat pump, giving up meat for dried insects, drinking soy milk, stopping flying or driving an electric car in my lifetime

 

It’s cheaper to do what I’m planning to do; move to the Costa Del Sol!!

 

Is what I’ve been led to believe too, my son is in the solar business, so I get to hear about economic benefits..
I would wait quite a few more years before even thinking of going down that road..

 

Depends upon your reasons for going down that road. If you're really into the "eco" culture, then personal conversion to alternative sources of energy is a matter of principle and is a must for you.

If you're more concerned with personal economy and saving money rather than saving the planet, then forget it. The upfront costs are excruciating and don't get fooled by the projected savings.

The current hike in fossil fuel prices is being used to add to the heat pump promotion and it's a valid point, but that's likely to reverse shortly. You'll probably have to make sure you live another 10 years to recover your dosh - in the meantime you've spent it.

 

my only experience of these pumps is my cousins house on the edge of Rannoch moor about 1150ft+ or so above sea level .. in depths of winter their house was always warm even on the days the temp went down to -12c. They go out about 4 - 6 times a day [ horses dogs and sheep ] so doors are opened quite often!

 

I'm just guessing JGF, but from that description and location I assume there's no mains gas available and probably a bit remote for oil deliveries. It's also probable that the cottage is stone built and has significant heat retention for the heat pump to operate more efficiently as a result.

I'm not saying for a minute that heat pumps don't work, it's just they're initially an expensive option for conversion with limited benefits for those already on other energy sources - unless of course you're an eco warrior.

 

This is not a point about a real labour man, a brilliant politician, honest, a giant etc. I saw Tony Benn speak live and follow with a Q&A. He had a mind and ability to express himself that had few equals. When asked questions he would speak at length, with great detail, without the aid of notes and with complete ease. It was remarkable.

 

Sparkey what is your take with all these systems.
I’m remote running LPG and my costs have doubled in the last year.
25p to 50P .

 

I just don’t think that the human species is ready for socialism.
We’ve not evolved that far yet.