It depends whether they are the new Man City or the new Leicester. Obviously it's great for them whichever but it could just be luck.
It amazes me that people discount 20 years of almost continuous improvement under ENIC while giving plaudits to Arsenal for their first really good season for years. It's not necessarily part of some masterplan, it's much more likely to be luck. 38 matches is nowhere near enough to draw significant conclusions even if it rightly wins an important trophy.
Maybe. Who knows? I can still recall my dad putting a comforting arm round my shoulder in 1997 and reassuring me that "it won't last long". Twenty-two years later, he was right. Jokes aside though in all likelihood it won't last. But that won't be for lack of trying, strategy or acumen on Arsenal's part. City, Chelsea and United will just spend whatever money necessary to burst their bubble. Possibly the best example of this was Chelsea signing Leicester's best player to simultaneously wreck Leicester's chances of repeat glory while vastly increasing their own.
I don't think people are discounting it. I just think people are justifiably worried that the past four years (and counting) of sequentially poor decisions, poor performances in cup competitions, poor football and relatively poor league finishes (i.e. we are yet to improve on the 2nd and 3rd spots earned under Poch) is slowly growing into more than a 'blip' and may well be a pattern. It is pretty hard to dismiss a four year sample so casually.
Lennypops did some detailed statistics which suggest you need hundreds of matches to draw any strong conclusions.
I’d die a happy man if I saw Spurs win just 1 league title. Leicester have won the league and fa cup in the last 7-8 years. That’s impressive
No I don’t. City are still the team to beat. Arsenal like Liverpool might be able to compete with this for a few seasons but then will probably fall away.
Lennypops showed that to be 90% sure that the difference between a 49% win ratio and a 53% win ratio is not down to chance you need about 3000 matches! I've not done the sums but I don't think our poorer performance over the last 4 years is much different to that. If you did a test on the null hypothesis that Arsenal and Spurs had exactly the same performance this season you wouldn't get close to being able to reject it on the basis of the actual results.
Of course everyone wants Spurs to win a trophy and the league would be my dream too. But the point I am making is that you can have the right strategy and not win it but also win it with an inferior strategy because many other factors are in play. Leicester are the perfect example of this. They nearly got relegated one year and won the League the next. They are back in the relegation zone a few years later. Those outcomes are not possible as a deliberate result of some strategy.
I think I dont want to find out tbh either way they were behind us and today they are ahead of us and pissing the league no other comfort seeking is relevant tbh
In your world Spurs/Levy do nothing wrong it’s always some other out of control forces that are between us and glory and the fulfilment of the purpose of a football club. Then you do the Levy strategy of empty future visions of what may be down the road as a comfort blanket. You were the best at that when the rest knew how the cycle would pan out about 3/4 years ago.
Of the two of us, the only one who seems to be crying about it is you. Of course I assume in response you will be piling up all your past postings over the past 3 years where you warned us of what Arteta was going to achieve ...
You’re trying to imply that it means nothing/not much as a one off and the only concern would be if its the possible dawn of a new era akin to Wengers I disagree…picking up trophies here and there is just as useful and valued. I don’t need 3 years evidence I can apply the world famous ‘eyeball test’. You’re looking for small comforts
id happily have a one off season then disappear up our own backsides again scraping 4th because that’s our comfort level unlike Lesta who’s comfort levels are relegation battles. Can’t compare us to Lesta
Again, you seem to have the issues, not me. If fate gives them lot the PL this season and nothng more, it has no affect whatsoever on the fact that I want to see Spurs teams playing entertaining football or whether the club can deliver that. If it is the beginning of a return to their previous "Sky 4" status, then that is a far bigger concern for me (as finances = the means to afford players who can play entertaining football) .
