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Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by Red Alert, Mar 11, 2023.

  1. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Lineker has no influence over how the BBC runs , either on a day to day basis, nor on long term strategy, he merely presents match of the day. As long as he keeps his thoughts to himself whilst presenting the show it makes no difference. If he for instance wore a T-shirt with his views on or said something on air I’d agree with you. But we are getting into very dangerous territory when we curtail freedom of speech in any way unless it is absolutely necessary, it’s a very slippery slope.


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    Obviously he has to keep within the limit of the law, so he can’t insight violence for instance, but that applies to all of us .
     
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  2. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    When a person keeps 1 eye on the past he is wise ..... when a person keeps 2 eyes on the past he is blind!

    I am so glad I am a 1 eye person!
     
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  3. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    I’m not sure what you’re driving at tbh, you highlight my comment about defending his right to freedom of speech, so I assume you are suggesting we shouldn’t have freedom of speech? …. Very odd.
     
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    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    What was the answer to how can the BBC be impartial if there are no limitations on what people say?
     
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  5. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Lineker has no influence over how the BBCruns , either on a day to day basis, nor on long term strategy, he merely presents match of the day. As long as he keeps his thoughts tohimself whilst presenting the show it makes no difference. If he for instance wore a T-shirtwith his views on or said something on air I’d agree with you. But we are getting into verydangerous territory when we curtail freedom of speech in any way unless it is absolutelynecessary, it’s a very slippery slope.

    The government decides the rules of free speech for individual citizens, they are the rules apply to all of us, Lineker is no different, he doesn’t have any influence on how the BBC is run, so has no influence on whether they are impartial or not.
     
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    Oldsparkey Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'd suggest for every Lineker with his personal views there are at least an equal number of less public figures who think the opposite. The fact that he has had widespread support from colleagues in his profession could be as a result of the impartiality issues rather than support for what he actually said.

    Outwardly it gives the implication that they all support his views but I doubt that's a true reflection - the word "solidarity" being bandied about rather than agreeing with him would suggest that.

    The extent of the furore in the press and media over his suspension whilst his actions were being reviewed smacks of extreme fake wokeism and fear of being labelled "right wing" if not joining in with the concensus.

    Feeling empathy for those less fortunate is a natural human trait, but "influencers" with many followers such as Lineker are irresponsible to invoke extreme and innappropriate comparisons. If the BBC condones it's presenters' "off air" public output without question, then it could be construed rightly or wrongly that they support their views.
     
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    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    That’s a fair point sparky, I agree and said the same in relation to support from his colleagues, I also take your point about being seen to condone his views if they ignored them. I accept it’s a difficult issue, which isn’t helped by their perceived political leanings at the top of the organisation. Several on here think it’s a black and white issue, it isn’t there are lots of grey areas.
     
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    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely agree (as per my post) - but neither is France. Why don't they stop there (or any other EU country)?
    Genuine question - not loaded. Why are they so desperate to come here when there are multiple other SAFE countries - some of which they have already passed through - which they could make their home in?
     
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  9. Red Alert

    Red Alert Well-Known Member

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    the BBC cant be impartial with no limitations.

    We dont work for the BBC. If he is coating off the Government and he is if he is being offensive to people and there are many who says he is it has an impact on the BBC. Lineker is a BBC top presenter of the BBC the flag ship motd. Thats totally different to the rest of us.
     
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  10. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Many do R&W, there are plainly many that don’t , there are probably as many different reasons as there are migrants.

    We have very few legal routes in, so the options are limited, for anyone who wants to come here. If we provided legal routes, and administered them properly there’d be no excuse to use illegal means. Then I’d support the kind of measures the government are suggesting. Plus obviously we’d no who are legitimate and who are not and be able to deal with them appropriately.
     
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    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    I completely disagree with both of your points.
     
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  12. Red Alert

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    So this has been good for the BBC???? They look like twats and we have to pay for a twat they employ.
     
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    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    They look like twats because they didn’t deal with it properly. The news is now that he’s been reinstated, Sky has said the BBC.apologised to Lineker , they are setting up an independent review looking into social media usage.
     
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    The taxman is keeping an eye on the Gary Lineker situation, with HMRC pursuing the 'freelance' presenter for £4.9m… while Man United No 2 Steve McClaren's Dutch accent is BACK - SPORTS AGENDA
    • HMRC are monitoring the ongoing situation between Gary Lineker and the BBC
    • The boycott by BBC employees caused a significant rift within the organisation
    • Mikel Arteta and Bukayo Saka were spotted dining out after a recent Arsenal win
    One of those monitoring the Gary Lineker situation closely will be the taxman.
    Lineker is being pursued by HM Revenue and Customs for £4.9million it says should have been paid on income received between 2013 and 2018.
    HMRC say Lineker should have been classed as an employee of the BBC and BT Sport, rather than a freelancer, with a legal hearing ongoing.
    Indeed, the case and Lineker’s suspension have parallels, given the pundit’s insistence he is not bound by the BBC’s editorial guidelines as he sees himself as a self-employed contractor.
    The taxman is keeping an eye on the Gary Lineker situation, amid Match of the Day chaos.
    HMRC say Lineker - who they are pursuing for £4.9m - should have been classed as an employee of the BBC and BT Sport, rather than a freelancer, with a legal hearing ongoing
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...eye-Gary-Lineker-situation-SPORTS-AGENDA.html

    Looks like the tax man is after Lineker for tax fiddle, I'm wondering what excuses he will use to squirm out of this one, especially when we have to pay a license fee which is squandered on his £1.3m annual BBC salary.
     
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    Red Alert Well-Known Member

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    So that is a no??

    Lineker BBC presenters latest political broadcast on twitter.

    However difficult the last few days have been, it simply doesn’t compare to having to flee your home from persecution or war to seek refuge in a land far away. It’s heartwarming to have seen the empathy towards their plight from so many of you.

    Large numbers of coming across the channel arrivals are NOT refugees; they are economic migrants who are not from war torn Countries or escaping persecution.
     
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  16. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn’t imagine he’d do his own tax returns, would use a top accountant surely?
     
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  17. AshtonRed

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    It’s not a no, it’s a “they look like twats because they are twats”. Twats that dealt with the situation so badly they had to apologise to Lineker, shouldn’t we be questioning their ability to run the organisation properly, rather than an individual they had to apologise to. Maybe we should be questioning their extortionate salaries as well?

    As to your point about them being economic migrants, maybe they are, maybe they aren’t, We’ve no idea because we’ve not had the opportunity to check one way or another.
     
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  18. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    Ashton you are missing the points have agreed with freedom of speech but what you dont seem to grasp is what you say.... emboldened is I would defend his right to say it whatever. ..............so you agree with his comment, [ you cant have it both ways] so no matter what he says you agree with, although it seems everyone [ most ] whether on his side or against DO NOT
     
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  19. Red Alert

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    Lineker will never experience the effects on services that over crowding this country will create. A few weeks ago he was complaining our NHS staff were over worked, but is happy to put thousands more people onto their workload. Youd think he wouldnt be tax fiddling to pay for all that extra cost.

    Thats a yes. Well done Links. We dont want to pay for you or them and are made too.
     
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  20. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    It’s you that’s missing the point JGF, I would defend his right to say it, whether I agree or not is irrelevant. Now do you understand?
     
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