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Two Big Ones

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by smidgen, Nov 9, 2011.

  1. smidgen

    smidgen Active Member

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    Perhaps it's the "War Fund" to enable us to go out a-poaching?
     
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  2. DrPhotosynthesis

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    Good on Mr Allam, he's under contract, he's our asset and we can demand what we want for him!
     
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  3. St.GeorgeisCross

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    If NP is worth £2m to them in wages alone, and judging that a promotion would be worth around £60m, then I would say that we should get £2m minimum.
    Let us not forget, that we too are contenders for promotion and NP doing one is going to potentially damage that promotion push, so why shouldn't we be compensated heavily?
     
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  4. King Curtis

    King Curtis Well-Known Member

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    With the amount of money leicester have they'd be naive to think we'd roll over and give them whatever price they wanted. Good to see we're trying to get out of this what we can.
     
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  5. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    Not only damage our push, but strengthen a rivals. If I was the Allams I'd have said **** off in the first place. Player/manager power needs cutting out the game and it's time clubs started standing up and getting these money grabbing-greedy twats priorities straight.
     
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  6. RicardoHCAFC

    RicardoHCAFC Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    He can't hand notice in unless his contract has a notice period written into it. He's welcome to go on strike, not get paid and not be able to join Leicester as he's still under contract if he doesn't like us refusing it though.
     
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  7. andy payton's mullet

    andy payton's mullet Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure? If that was the case then he could never leave unless he was sacked. I know employees are entitled to statutory notice periods but I'm not sure (and can't be arsed to check) whether employers are entitled to the same
     
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  8. smidgen

    smidgen Active Member

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    I'll bet you Papa Allam is a mean poker player! :emoticon-0105-wink: <whistle>
     
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  9. Chiltons222

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    No Lesta Trolls on this thread?......Come on boys it's only £2m and your buying the league!
     
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  10. The FRENCH TICKLER

    The FRENCH TICKLER Well-Known Member

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    until they pay the asking price, i wonder if Papa Allam has told his secretary to refuse all calls from lesta ?
     
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  11. westhulltiger

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    Very interesting point!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  12. RicardoHCAFC

    RicardoHCAFC Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Pretty sure, I'm not claiming to be an expert on the subject, just giving my understanding of contract law (should point out it's Scots law I'm more familiar with and there can be differences) and trying to keep it simple. Normally employees are on rolling contracts where they're effectively agreeing to give their service forever which is why I would think there's the requirement there as it takes care of settlements. On fixed term contracts though you're only agreeing to provide your services for a certain period anyway so there's no need for notice periods to determine compensation/redundancy, if either side wants to break the contract before the specified end date they either have to buy out the contract in full (which leaves the other party no chance of rejecting it) or agree a settlement. To buy it out in full (ie sack him) we'd have to pay all his wages for the rest of the deal, so as the contract is meant to represent equal value I assume the buy out for him if he wants to leave is to pay us the same as he'd be due to receive for the rest of his deal. If that's less than the Allams are asking I suspect we'll see him do that and then Leicester will add it to his signing on fee.

    It's like the players that FIFA have said can buy themselves out of their contracts after 3 years of a 4 year deal by paying their club whatever they'd be due to get paid for the remainder of it, is it Webster who did it to leave Hearts for Wigan a few years back? The interesting thing with that is that FIFA doesn't let them join a club in the same league without compensation, in the same way as for players under 24 at the end of their contract if they move abroad rather than domestically they get to go for free when Bosman applies to any move if they're over 24. If they do the same with managers it would rule out them just buying out the contract.

    EDIT: All the above is of course based on there not being a predetermined buyout clause.
     
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  13. andy payton's mullet

    andy payton's mullet Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Ricardo. I just think that every employment contract I have had, and ever seen, there has been a notice period in it, so I would be surprised if a football manager's contract would be different. My current employer requires me to give 3 months, whereas it was only the statutory minimum in my last job.

    You're right that (fixed term contracts aside) that employment contracts are rolling contracts, but I would be amazed if they are required to work forever without the possibility of being able to give notice.

    I think the buy out of NP's contract is slightly different. I'm sure I read somewhere that the compensation that (in this case) Leicester will pay reflects buying NP out of the rest of his contract together with a sum in relation to our costs in finding a replacement.

    If NP does have a notice period in his contract, and we cannot agree compensation I think that he could resign but could not work for Leicester until his notice period ends. We could possibly put him on garden leave for the duration of his notice period. If that happened I think we would not be entitled to compensation.

    ...Or I'm completely wrong!!
     
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  14. RicardoHCAFC

    RicardoHCAFC Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The key is that 3 years isn't forever. He can say whenever he wants that he's not going to renew his contract and just leave at the end of it. An employee/employer contract over a fixed term shouldn't be any different to a contract between two companies though.

    Our shirt sponsors can't turn round and go "I know we've got 18 months left and an option for another year after that, but here's our notice that we're not going to keep sponsoring you past this summer. If they did that they'd still have to pay us next year's sponsorship costs (less whatever we got from their replacement) to compensate for our lost income.

    Correct, if he has a notice period then that could happen. I just doubt that as it's a fixed term contract for 3 years that there would be a notice period included. There's no need for one as the date of departure is already agreed upon and compensation is easily calculatable if one party breaks the contract early. There's nothing else a notice period is there to protect against.
     
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