Should England Defy the Poppy ban?

""There are other ways to honour the poppy than by wearing it on a shirt. The FA has helped us explore every alternative available and we are satisfied that England will enter the competition knowing they have shown proper respect for our Armed Forces."

So who said that? Some pinko liberal type with an agenda? Some appeaser who doesn't want the fallen to be remembered? Some 'orrible scumbag who spent the morning wazzing on the Cenotaph?

Nope, it was Chris Simpkins, Director General of The Royal British Legion."

 

Why don't you try and prove that claim by actually trying to provide a decent answer to my question. Hint: mindless patriotism/nationalism will not be considered a decent answer.

 

And ignorant to boot.

 

Ignorant of what exactly? Like I said to the other moron above, why don't you try and back up that claim with a couple of facts?

 

There are many alternatives available to the poppy on the shirt anyway, put them on the boots for example?

Or, if England fans are really that bothered, everyone going to Wembley just buy up a load of poppies beforehand, hide them on the way in, and have 'poppy ticker-tape' when the teams come out. Donating to charity AND making a point at the same time, what could be better? Might blow the whole thing even further out of proportion, mind...

 

I don't need to, just Google British Legion and try to understand and show a bit of respect, It however is not compulsory, just a matter of conscience, I respect what Chris Simpkins says, see lsbs post above.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15666769.stm

 

Well it seems it's a moot point now as

from BBC news

 

Agreed, as long as the majority show respect, the rest should be ignored.

 

Right, and why does the England team need to wear a poppy to demonstrate that respect? Why does anyone need to wear a poppy? (Other than of course that it encourages charity donations). Just show your own respect whatever way you want to, and maybe donate a little if you have some cash to spare.

If you respect what Chris Simpkins says, which is pretty much exactly what I was getting at, why then am I ignorant?

 

Of course the national team should remember the millions that have lost there lives during the 2 world wars. We should also remember the brave forces that have lost there lives at the Falklands, Iraq and Afghanistan. We need to be careful that we remember our heritage and honour, respect and REMEMBER the dead, not use the opportunity to celebrate the victory. The significance of this event could not be more important as we remember 11th November, or the eleventh hour, of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, the axact time the war ceased. tHIS YEAR IT WILL BE 11/11/11/11.

Some of the comments on here are disgraceful and you aught to be ashamed of yourselves. I suggest you speak to your parents or grandparents be be educated...

 

Mixing up remembrance and nationalism. The latter rather debases the former. I am glad to see that they have reached a compromise, and we can all move on.

 

Nothing whatsoever to do with nationalism, its all about remembrance Poppies have been printed on black armbands to be worn by the players

 

That's the whole point- people have 'jumped on the bandwagon' and made it do with nationalism (EDL for example).

There isn't anything wrong with wearing a poppy, isn't anything wrong with not wearing one. As long as you remember, which we will be doing with the minutes silence & now the armbands.

Time to move on.

 

Two questions:

1) Or what?
2) Do you remember any of them? I sure as hell don't. I've had plenty of family members die in wars over the past 100 years (I'm sure you'd never have guessed by looking at my surname) but this remembrance stuff doesn't serve me or anyone else in my family any purpose whatsoever.

 

Its all about remembering the dead, not celebrating the victory. I'm not a nationalist. It made me angry that (for instance) last night on big brother , one of the idiots thought the second world war was in the 1950's. Another on this board was quoting 1910, thats disgraceful...

 

Yes of course they should. However, FIFA have climbed down far enough for a compromise to be agreed. We'll wear poppies on armbands

 

1) People of an older generation would be horrified at some of the ignorance shown on this board. I'm not having a go at any individual, and as stated, I'm not a nationalist. As I said I suggest.... Im making a suggestion. One thing for sure, there grandparents would be ashamed of them.

2) Im 37, so obviously not, and with each year that passes fewer and fewer people will be around. That's why its important to educate.

 

Not too long ago, someone posed me the ridiculous question "I know the Germans paid reparations and all that, but did they ever actually apologise?". As if the German people owe us some sort of apology for WW2. The way I see it, it wasn't us vs Germany, it was Capitalist Imperialism vs Fascist Imperialism. Thankfully the lesser of two evils won in the end, but we have to remember the Allied Nations too played their part (Triple Entente, etc.) in the chain of causation which led to all this violence, where millions of innocents (ON BOTH SIDES) lost their lives.

I don't remember the dead on Remembrance Day, because I never knew any of them. What I do remember is that it is so easy for the powers that be, at any given moment, to send millions of innocent people to their deaths. Needless to say, I don't care too much for all this remembrance stuff.