Absolutely. He's unproven, at best. Very mixed record with poor teams in Italy and did well with Shakhtar, which isn't difficult. I think he's established his reputation for playing attractive football though, which is a bonus.
I want attractive football but the standard for the next manager has to be higher than just that. Feel like we say this every time but Levy has to get the next appointment right
He exceeded all expectations at Sassuolo while playing exciting football. But yes, extremely early days for him in the PL. If he leads them to the FA Cup, would your opinion change?
Not really. Roberto Martinez won the FA Cup with Wigan and I wouldn't want him. I feel far more comfortable criticising Martinez though, as he's been around longer.
It's very easy to overthink these things. Sometimes you just have to get a "good enough" manager and give him the support he needs. As others have said, a lot of it comes down to luck rather than ability anyway, and most mangers actually fail. And to state the obvious, it is impossible to know before hand if you have made the right appointment, so at some stage you just have to go for it and stick with it. If Guardiola hadn't started at Barca would he be Citeh manager now? If he didn't have so much money to spend would he be where he is now? Would he have done so well at Burnley? So get in a guy who seems to fit the bill and back him.
Pretty close to my opinion...I don't have any issues with the way we've chosen managers but we've made two big mistakes in sacking Jol and Pochettino too early. You can't really sack managers on results as you almost always need more data than you've actually got. What you can do is to get an understanding of what they think they can achieve and how they propose to do it and get rid of them if they don't follow that in practice.
Sacking bloke in a coat 2 weeks before the cup semi final v the goons was a mistake imho. Employing Hoddle was a foreseeable mistake as he was known to be a poor man manager who threw players under the bus from his times at Swindon, Chelsea and England. The less said about about deciding to give pleat a 9 month caretaker roll the better. Employing Ramos was clearly a mistake. AVB was a mistake that was never going to work out...he arrived as damaged goods after his 6 months at Chelsea. They were poor under him...then in the 12 weeks after he was sacked they went on to win the FA Cup and the CL...with a manager who's only premier league experience ended in relegation. Giving Sherwood a 6 month caretaker roll was a big mistake. Employing JM was a predictable farce. Nuno was a car crash of an appointment.
The only one of those that did discernible harm though was Ramos, who, ironically is the only ENIC manager to win a trophy. If you work out the win records of Conte, Mourinho, AVB and Sherwood combined then their performance is better than any other Spurs manager (and is based on about 200 league matches so plenty of data).
RdM got the boot at Chelsky the next season the moment it looked like he had failed to get them into the CL KO stages.
And if you : 1. replace any of them with any of Hoddle/Santini/Ramos/Nuno ?? 2. get the mean points per season that this combo would have got over each season, how does it compare to the histogram of seasons for each of BMJ/Arry/Pochettino ??
Sherwood lied and manipulated his stats... He claimed that his win percentage meant that we'd have got enough points for a top 4 if he'd had 38 games in charge. His league record was; P22 W13 D3 L6 pts42 that's 1.9 ppg and makes 72.5 points over 38 games. Arsenal came 4th on 79 points we First of all he left out all the cup games In 6 cup games his record was; W1 D1 L4 His full record was 14 wins 4 draws 10 losses which equates to 1.6 pts ppg and over 38 games that is 60 points. Combining their records and comparing them to any one manager simply makes no sense. Stats can be and are constantly manipulated. My final point is that football is based on emotional attachments. We are grown arsed adults who go nuts when we watch some one kick a ball into a net...I think some of your posts lack this very important factor tbh. BTW...I hope that don't come across as rude cos it ain't meant that way...I just think our emotional attachment to the team matter more than some stats
Pleat really wasn't a mistake though: Arnesen was arriving at the end of the season, so hiring a new manager would've been a bad idea if Arnesen arrived and the two worked about as well together as Fiona Bruce and journalistic integrity The real issue was Hoddle finished the previous season badly and that form carried over, hence Pleat was carrying the can for much longer than he should have
I am very emotionally attached to the team which means that my feelings are very biased so I try to look at stats to see what the true position is. Even then I may be selective in trying to prove the opposite of my feelings so it's a bit of a minefield. I do find it odd that people are so against Conte, Mourinho and AVB when their league results are all way better than Bill Nicholson but as @The RDBD points out none of them had enough games to be statistically significant. I don't think cup records are particularly revealing....so much depends on the draw. In combining their records I was trying to test whether they did harm cumulatively. A bit to my surprise the exact opposite is indicated.
Garbage football, abrasive personalities and excuse making, in my opinion. All started reasonably well and had good runs, but went badly downhill and blamed everyone else. Parking the bus, then throwing the players and club under it do not sit well with me.
The problem with that is there is a definite upward trend in performance under ENIC so that makes comparisons difficult. It would take more time than I have to take that out. That most affects Hoddle whose stats are quite similar to his immediate predecessors. The other three only managed 56 games between them so swapping them in makes little difference.
That's a good reason to dislike them as individual managers but not really to castigate Levy for appointing them and they've done no long term harm.
Under Conte we have scored 2 goals per league game which is more than anyone else since we were in Southern League. Not a stat I would have predicted.
There's a case to be made that we knew what we were getting and we got it. All three are ex-Chelsea managers, which is a black mark against them from the start. All play football that's far from the Spurs DNA that Levy claims to want to get back to. All have very short-term success propped by up by enormous funding, then **** the bed. Tuchel would complete the set, despite supposedly being a boyhood Spurs fan. I'm not going to speak for Spurs fans as a whole, but they're not what I'm looking for in a manager. I'd like to see long-term planning combined with a sensible policy for the short-term. Our appointments don't suggest that either is there and that we're just reacting to events. Grab a random, albeit successful, coach and chuck him in to see what happens. Sack and repeat. Hope for the best. It isn't working well and I wouldn't expect it to, either.
I've had a look at the way some very successful managers were appointed and the main pattern is that most don't seem to repeat their success elsewhere. But appointing someone with no record of success is very hit and miss too. I am not sure there is a rational strategy that is likely to be successful, but sacking the good ones too early is a really bad idea.
