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Thomas Frank & Johan Lange (& Fabio Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Your Preference For Ange’s Replacement

  1. Thomas Frank

  2. Andoni Iraola

  3. Simone Inzaghi

  4. Marco Silva

  5. Roberto Di Zerbi

  6. Other (state in comments)

  7. Oliver Glasner

  8. Xavi

  9. Mauricio Pochettino

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  1. Left on the Shelf

    Left on the Shelf Well-Known Member

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    Your wish is very likely to come true....<laugh>
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    So we're just waiting to see what happens with Paratici next month then?
     
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  3. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Carrick and De Zerbi shows how short term the club views things.
     
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  4. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    The only "source" linking us to Carrick is SkyBet, so as things stand that's merely how Sky view punters who think clubs will hire any ex-player to be their coach

    De Zerbi is one I'm on the fence about: on paper there's the two obvious flags of him being flavour of the month for one season at Brighton, and the obvious question about whether the framework Brighton have in place is doing a percentage of the job for him in much the same way that Swansea's framework did more heavy lifting for Brendan Rodgers than he'd ever admit, but it does have to be said that De Zerbi's teams do use possession far better than Conte ever would, so if he is somebody we're looking at that would indicate that we're not trying to skip a step or two which is what the ubermensch's hiring clearly was and instead looking to lay groundwork for something
     
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  5. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Both are doing a good job but shouldn’t be anywhere near the Spurs job right now. It just smacks of panic imo. Hopefully it’s just the lazy media linking them and the club aren’t looking at either
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    If it's only bookies, as is the case with Carrick, either we're not looking or Ladbrokes should be asking why Dan KP put a large bet on him

    De Zerbi has been linked about 2-3weeks ago IIRC, so is potentially on the list, but it feels like a reactivate move because he's got Brighton playing well

    ...then again, when it comes to managerial choices, our track record says gut over head every time as Redknapp and Poch are the obvious examples of Levy going with his gut, while Santini and the ubermensch are examples of going with his head - and he's not alone in that, as Ramos was Comolli going with his head, much as Nuno was Paratici going with his
     
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  7. Citizen Kane.

    Citizen Kane. Well-Known Member

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    Not sure how you've come to that conclusion? Risky perhaps and not glamorous, but 'short term'? On the contrary, Mourinho and Conte are the textbook definition of taking a short term view. Neither of them has ever stayed more than 3 seasons at any one club and both tend to fall out spectacularly with boards and fanbases before leaving. If that isn't short-termism, I don't know what is.

    Carrick and De Zerbi are examples of young, progressive coaches who bring new ideas to the table. They would be tasked with a long-term project. Like Arteta at Arsenal, that project would span many years and include many hurdles, obstacles and even tears, but by sticking to a cohesive long-term strategy, there is every chance it will reap dividends.

    When we appointed them, Martin Jol and Poch were on paper every bit as underwhelming as Roberto de Zerbi is today. Yet they went on to become two of our most important managers of the modern era. Were they short-termist appointments?

    To my mind, if De Zerbi guides Brighton to a top 6 finish and wins them their first major trophy, turning our noses up at him comes across as slightly entitled and arrogant. And we have accomplished absolutely nothing in 4 years to warrant entitlement or arrogance.
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    The name and reputation of the next manager no longer interests me, it’s their style of management that does.

    The best three managers we’ve had in the Prem were:
    An unknown Dutchman who was initially our assistant manager.
    A journeyman who mainly managed clubs at the bottom of the table.
    Southampton’s manager of 18 months.

    None set tongues wagging when they joined yet they were perfect fits for our club philosophy and fan’s demand for style of play.

    Managers whose football I enjoy watching and who I think would be able to work well with a core group of our players would be:

    De Zerbi, Frank, Poch, Cooper. I’d definitely keep an eye on Carrick for the future too, as well as Kompany, both have had very promising starts at their clubs and are earning high praise for their style of play.
     
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  9. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    I mean short term as in they’ve been in their current jobs short term. If Spurs wanted De Zerbi or Carrick then you’d hope they would be watching them for a longer time
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Clear your desk, Antonio
     
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  11. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    They’re lucky it has (I don’t think it has) as they’d be out the team if Spurs had good enough youngsters
     
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  12. Citizen Kane.

    Citizen Kane. Well-Known Member

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    Gotcha.

    Same thing probably held true when we appointed BMJ and Poch though. One had zero PL experience, the other had just over one season.
     
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  13. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    True but feels like the stakes are higher now. The club can’t afford to make the wrong decision with the next manager and although there is no dead cert for success, going for a rookie like Carrick or someone like De Zerbi feels too risky right now.
     
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  14. Tilly'sowner

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    Was Arteta a proven manager? Sometimes promoting a relatively unknown entity can do wonders.

    We need someone who is able to coach, motivate and lead our players. Forget about the successful managers out there and focus on the man who can get our team performing.

    We have some good technical players who needs someone to get them performing as a unit. Someone who can give hope to the academy players and the squad.

    That was what Redknapp excelled at and BMJ, Poch too before he lost focus.
     
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  15. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    The players aren’t that good. That’s the harsh reality which many fans won’t face.

    Yet again, everyone has turned on another manager and they’re getting all the blame for the issues at the club.

    Just like Poch, Jose & Nuno before him, Conte will leave Spurs and go on to win a trophy before Tottenham do.
     
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  16. Spurlock

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    Brighton manager De Zerbi on his future at the club after reports linked him with a move to Tottenham: "I have a long contract with Brighton and I'm happy to work here.

    "I enjoy working with these players, I'm delighted with their performance. I can't ask for more, it's a good moment in my life."
     
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  17. Citizen Kane.

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    He'd be an absolute idiot to come here. He could build something really special there and - if they win the FA Cup - go down in history as officially the club's greatest manager.

    Coming here is fraught with risks for any manager. Key players coming to the end of their careers, fractious relationship between the board and the fans, a squad bottlenecked with dross and one of the least productive academies in the realm. Plus every promise the chairman makes has to be taken with a bucket of salt. Sure, you can have £150m to spend this window, but only if half of it is spent hiring Go Kart instructors.
     
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  18. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    And again, as I said if that win is a domestic trophy
    at a non-PL club. then tis moot.
     
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  19. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Dan KP also saying Enrique is the top target.

    Gary Jacob says Enrique is interested in the role.
     
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  20. Tilly'sowner

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    Another vanity project then!
     
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