Jose who?

What's MY point?? You're the one who started banging on about Capello and how many titles he's won? Doesn't stop Henderson being an average, overrated, over expensive player! You just twisted the conversation in your favour Ahh yes, I'll see your right back debate, and I'll raise you the fact that Chomps are better value for money than Freddos.

I mean, what?

 

You said no one rated Henderson outside of Liverpool, yet its obvious loads of people do, I used Capello as an example, and mentioned his honours because it shows that he knows a thing or two about buying quality players. You then started blabbering on about him picking Glen Johnson ahead of Micah Richards, I explained the possible logic behind not picking Richards ahead of Johnson. Now I'm wondering what your point is, how does the fact he picked a top quality player ahead of an in form one change the fact that he has a good eye for a player and knows the difference between average players and good players?

 

It was more 'tongue in cheek' as the kids would say, I didn't want to spark a debate of whether or not Glen Johnson should be picked for England You stated Capello picked Henderson for England, so that must mean Henderson is the greatest player, as Capello picked him, and Capello has won this and won that and ooh isn't he so lovely. But I just stated that Capello's England selections count for nothing in the 'How good is Henderson' argument when, a) IN MY OWN OPINION, and the opinion of many many other people, I don't think G.Johnson should have been picked ahead of Richards so, b) it has nothing to do with it, as Capello's England selections can be seen as laughable at best.

Oh, and c).. "He must be really good because he got picked for the ENGLAND SQUAD". Really? Is that the basis of your argument? Fantastic.


And where the hell has my hippo sig gone

 

why did you ask what his point was? it was both clear and valid. do you just have templates in your mind that you just insert regardless if it's relevant?

Also, i KNOW that many would argue thar Walker has looked better than Richards so far this season as it has been argued many times that Richards has been the best RB in the PL across the opening 11 games. Jose however deserves a call up. loved watching his form for you guys after many (not 'pool fans though to be fair) ridiculed our opinion of him last season as 'deluded' you have to wonder in his case though whether it isnt his football that has kept him from the Spain squad.

 

I didn't say he was 'really good', I was saying he was good, and not average, which I think is fair. I don't think average players get chosen for England. I consider average players people like Karl Henry, Fabrice Muamba, Paul Robinson. People who really add nothing much to a team, I wouldn't group Henderson with them, I do suppose it depends on your definition of average.

And your hippo is still there!

 

In terms of candidates for his position in the England squad, Henderson is below average.

 

In comparison to his transfer fee, lets say. I agree he'd offer more than players like Henry, definitely. And to be honest I rate him over Jarvis, but Jarvis was over hyped too so y'know. He's got skill, and a decent prospect for the future, perhaps, but right now not worth the fee, at all, and I don't see what all the fuss is about in all honesty. The Mackems got a fantastic deal on that one. Will just agree to disagree! I really hate arguing on forums

I can't see him. Have replaced with non-animated for now...

Not nearly as good

 

In the match commentary against Everton a commentator said about a shot hitting the bar "...or as the fans up here call it; the demba..."

Really? or is it another dreamboat style pun that some media figure spent three sleepless nights coming up with and three more praying it catches on?

 

Its fair enough to say he was overpriced, but IMO average isn't the right description.

The non-animated version isn't great, I have to agree, I reckon cyprussyd has it in for you as he supports Sunderland and you're a Newcastle guy

 

Average for a top 6 side, either way.

I know, it sucks. I've had a look back to where it was originally posted in this forum though and it's not appearing there either.
I'm not sure Syd would know what to do if he wanted to do something about it though

 

Current argument, Johnson and Capello. Capello may have been a good league manager at clubs where you have a lot of money to buy 25 great players, work with them day in day out for a year and a minimum of 40 games to win something. Totally different game to having 8 matches to qualify for a knockout tournament, a week or so to work with them and only English players to choose from. You can win the league losing 5 games, can't win the world cup that way. Capello's job is to take the best performing English men at the time of selection. With such a limited time frame you want a player in form who will run out onto the pitch on fire, Capello picks people based on past performances, no matter how far past it was.

 

Didn't Capello pick Bothroyd as well?

 

One good with the world is Sameobi getting his u21 call up!

 

judging left backs in terms of goals scored

 

In fairness, I think majority of our fans know that Enrique is by far a better left back. Just pointing out that if Jose was still here, he wouldn't have scored the winner at Sunderland, against Everton or scored against Scunthorpe and we would probably be worse off

 

True, but your team could have won those games anyway as it would have been different games if enrique was involed. Granted he wouldnt have scored those goals but I do think Enrique adds to an attack in other ways than goals.

 

Yeah he does and I wish he was still here - probably the best left back in the league

 

Nah he picks players and squads to win games and he's been damn successful at doing so with England. He picks players I wouldn't but every manager does. Problem with England is expectation and unwillingness of our fans to accept we're not that good.

 

More tongue in cheek than anything else mate. Jose will always be the superior left back. One of if not the best in the league. Still gutted he left.

 

Heskey & Bothroyd...so they're are both excellent players because of Capello's club record?