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Yeah that was the wording I was looking for 'united Ireland.' - I really wish they would, that way they would also get their wish of remaining in the EU. I don't mind of them having the best of both worlds, but if they are going to continue to moan, well maybe it's about time they made the more sensible choice. Sammy just comes across as a dinosaur to me.

 

We'll have no Papism herrrerrrr!

 

**** off, you fenian bastard, how can you say there should just be a united Ireland, when the majority of Northern Ireland don't want a united Ireland? You have no clue what you are talking about.

 

Oooooh! I seem to have kicked off a spot of sectarian violence. In other news " Hard Man" Steve Baker blubbing like a kid whose had his marbles nicked in the schoolyard. ( Boomer reference there for the Duncoon)

 

You're not even in Northern Ireland, even you fooked off from the place. Morning btw.

 

Anyway, if the EU is so great as I've been reminded constantly for the last seven years, then surely the best solution is a united Ireland, why would NI want to be linked to the sunny uplands of England, total madness.

 

I have never said I am from Northern Ireland, but my question remains, how can you just say it should be a United Ireland when the people of Northern Ireland don't want a united Ireland?

 

Assuming a NI border referendum occurred in 2019, say shortly after the Brexit date (March): What way do you think you would vote according to the following scenarios?

	Based on the UK Government's current EU withdrawal agreement	Based on a "no deal" (i.e. if the UK Government's EU withdrawal agreement is defeated in the UK parliament and no new deal is negotiated with the EU)	EU withdrawal doesn't happen; i.e. UK remains in the EU (T. May has said this is a possible outcome if the UK Government's EU withdrawal agreement is defeated in the UK parliament)
NI to remain in UK – I'm 100% certain	39%	38%	47%
NI to remain in UK – My probable vote, but I'm not certain	9%	4%	13%
Don't know/not sure at this point	4%	3%	11%
NI to leave the UK and join a UI – My probable vote, but I'm not certain	18%	7%	8%
NI to leave the UK and join a UI – I'm 100% certain	30%	48%	21%
Polling was carried out during 80 hours from 30 Nov 2018 to 3 Dec 2018 from an online opinion panel demographically representative of Northern Ireland (balanced by gender, age-group, area of residence, and community background) from 1,334 complete, valid, and unique responses. Data were weighted by age, sex, socio-economic group, previous voting patterns, constituency, constitutional position, party support and religious affiliation, and are accurate to a margin of error of ±3.0%, at 95% confidence. Polling was carried out by LucidTalk, a Belfast-based polling company and member of all recognised professional polling and market research organisations, including the UK-MRS, BPC, and ESOMAR.

 

So, your argument is putting figures if a no deal was to happen, which it didn't? That is bizarre, I assume you weren't on the school debating team?!

Anyway, here is an article from The Irish Times about 2 months ago. Not sure how I can be any clearer, the people of Northern Ireland don't want a united Ireland. No amount of you and @Diego thinking they do will change that fact and even more ridiculous to think you can just go against the will of the people and have a united Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/...rthern-ireland-rejects-unity-by-large-margin/

 

Northern Ireland clearly wanted to remain in the EU, there is clear opportunity for them to do so by Uniting, the way to check the facts as you like to call them is to hold a referendum. Maybe even include the whole of the UK in the vote, as we did with the EU, I'm sure we would have been able to grant @A.L.D.O 4.1 his wish, rather than the cocked eyed Krankie way of having to go down the trans route to get one over on Westminster.

Then us English don't have to put up with prehistoric dinosaurs like Sammy rambling on, or the English having to feel the consequences of republican bombs, fooking off then everyone is happy, apart from what in the overall picture is just appeasing a UK minority. You mention @Diego well maybe that is representive of English feeling, in that we really don't care about them, at least ALDO could see that.

Alternatively do what that mad bat in Scotland wanted and go for Independence, but I don't really see that as the most ideal route for them OR they could just say yes to the Windsor framework and everyone is happy, apart from a few dinosaurs.

 

Don't forget as well that even the six counties of Ulster that constitute NI were gerrymandered from the actual nine counties that make up historical Ulster to have a built-in Prod/Loyalist majority, and that majority is withering year by year. As Bill Clinton (a Prod himself) said to John Hulme after the GFA, the Nationalist community would outbreed the Loyalists within two generations, and they will. But will the Republic, where the standard of living and GDP per capita is, after 50 years in the EU, far higher than NI, want them back? It will be like West Germany taking back the moribund, economically backward East in the 90s.

 

Have a referendum, are you ****ing Swiss or something?

Whether you and @Diego like Northern Ireland or not is irrelevant, you can't just go and make a united Ireland if the people of Northern Ireland don't want it, which they don't! Even a sizeable chunk of Northern Irish catholics don't want a united Ireland.

 

There are already more catholics than protestants in Northern Ireland, yet they still don't want a united Ireland.

 

So you agree it's inevitable that NI will join the Republic in time, I'm glad you are thinking that, even if you are not saying so. I say, why delay the inevitable, let's just get on with it now, rather than delay for the Nationalists to outbreed the Loyalists, see @Fvck the Tories for more detail.

 

Where have I implied that or been thinking that? Like I have already said, there are more catholics than Protestants in Northern Ireland already, so not sure why you are saying you would need to wait until the Nathionalists have outbred the Loyalists, that has already happened, yet the people of Northern Ireland still don't want a united Ireland.

 

This is magnificent though: NI is, apparently, in the best position in the world because it has access to both the single market and the UK market. A bit like the rest of us had before we left the EU?

But kudos to Sunak - an actual statesman, tbf - if he's squared the circle of NI, as, despite the witterings of Oakeshott and Malting today on Politics Live, there was no plan after Brexit except the farcical belief that they needed us more than we need them (see Heartless Spewer further up). If we can develop a closer relationship now with our closest neighbours and the biggest market just over the channel (but not call it the SM or CU) then let's crack on. 7 wasted years, but thanks Putin for reminding us what is essential.

 

Yet.

 

But you don't know that, that's just your thoughts telling you that. Posting up a copy of the Irish Times is not unequivocal proof, you need to do better. I'm sure the good people of Northern Ireland would like free flowing access to salad including fresh tomatoes, just like you in your sunny lands, so why deny them the choice, just because your mind is giving you messages that they don't want to be united. Let's put it to the test I say, no I'm not Swiss btw.