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The January Striker Debate

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Nordic, Feb 25, 2023.

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Will the club fail to make the playoffs as a result of not signing another striker in January

  1. Yes - it’s almost a criminal offence

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  2. No - I think we have enough to make top 6

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  3. Not too bothered - I like the way the club is developing and didn’t expect playoffs

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  4. I just want to complain about the club all the time, regardless

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  5. Other… please state

    6 vote(s)
    6.7%
  6. Yes, just yes

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  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    That's my point precisely.

    Either the club wanted exactly that, as they said, or they didn't and they're conning us all.

    You keep talking about missing an opportunity, to sign this top striker, but you've no idea if that opportunity existed.

    I believe every Sunderland supporter on the planet and not just you, and the club, wanted to sign a striker, perhaps two, so it's simply a question of whether you believe they're conning us all or not.
     
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  2. Prehab26

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    I am not silly mate. I didn't expect us to go out in the Jan window and sign a top striker. Just an option. Someone to take the hits and let our attacking players have an outball. Or sometimes put it in the box.

    A loan till the end of the season then re-evaluate. We didn't get one. That's failure and it's going to cost us significant league position.
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

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    It's only a failure if this option existed and that's the point you keep ignoring ...

    ... it's only a failure if that player existed.

    If the opportunity existed, and the club didn't take it, then they're conmen andlying to us, simple as that.


    Not turning up to work, because you can't be arsed then being sacked is failure. Being too ill to go into work, being sacked isn't and you'd be entitled to go to a tribunal.
     
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  4. Prehab26

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    Sorry mate. We had the full window to sign a single player. Of course players exsisited. It just didn't fit what they see as the model. That's it. Clear as day. I think that's the error.

    I mean QPR went and got Martin outside of the window. Options there , they just decided against.
     
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    You're stating an opinion as fact there.

    If these available, good enough and willing to understudy Stewart options existed why should we sign them if they don't fit in with what has been meticulous planning.

    Should we throw away the plans every time things don't go our way.
     
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    No I am not. To say there was not a single player available across world football is absolutely ludicrous.

    I have just given you an example. We choose not to take it, there will have been countless others. Pragmatism was needed and we didn't use it and we are now paying the price.

    Someone will be able to do the analysis. When we have not had a 9 on the pitch our form has been absolutely ****e. They are paid the big bucks to pick the right option. They didn't. Now form is ****e again.

    Overall I am all for the changes we have made mate. We have progressed on and off the pitch.

    But not getting that 9 will see our season finish on a whimper and that's a shame.
     
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    We also have our manager saying the same. Is he wrong too ?
     
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    This all sounds so simple it's staggering the club didn't just take the easy option.

    A) Take a look at the various available worldwide options

    B) Identify all of those happy to sign

    C) Bring one or two in and carry on up the table

    Instead the club twiddled their thumbs and just kept their fingers crossed <doh>
     
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  10. HoratioCarter

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    I don't think anyone would deny our season will suffer because we don't have a striker, but no-one on here rreally knows what decent options were available or what the other clubs were asking for strikers. So these arguments are pointless. Just get behind the young lads who are giving their all on the pitch and support the club.
     
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    Ultimately they didn't get what was needed though.
     
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    It's just debate mate. No one is not supporting the club.
     
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  13. Smug in Boots

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    If various suitable options were available they failed.

    If various suitable options weren't available they didn't.

    It's really that simple.
     
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    I would drop Neil or Michut and play Ekwah. We need a bit more balance in the CM position and those 2 are too similar. A touch more physcial presence would help definitely. That showed yday.

    In terms of helping find a way up to, we have to play 4-2-3-1 and Prichard has to be feeding Gelhardt. He is our only 10 who knows how to play it.

    Someone from Amad, Roberts or Clarke must be dropped to make the change.
     
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    If the parameters are set so high that no options are available that will lead to failure.

    Good debate but exhausted it now <laugh>
     
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  16. HoratioCarter

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    No just slagging of Speakman
     
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    The headline is that the club failed ...

    ... Mowbray doesn't say that anywhere in the article.

    It's just easy, and makes people think they know best, to say that.

    Everton or Wigan didn't fail to bring in loads of players ...

    .... both are staring relegation in the face.

    What would people say if we'd brought in a couple of Broadheads or Carrolls who failed to deliver. I imagine they'd say the club failed to bring in the right players and now we're stuck with them for two or three years that'll block us bringing in the right ones.

    In my opinion you either trust the club or you don't.

    Either is fair enough.
     
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  18. Smug in Boots

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    We could always drop our standards I suppose ...

    ... that might work.
     
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  19. Prehab26

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    Just discussion about his performance like all key senior figures at the club. The point of the board is to debate good and poor decisions.
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

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    Providing you actually know what decisions were taken and not just guessing ...

    ... that's not debating, it's speculating.
     
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