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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. BobbyD

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    Are you insinuating that pre 2012 (or whenever it was) all the ukrainian elections that were held were basically corrupt and false?

    I don't know to much about it but would be interested to know your view and where this has come from
     
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  2. Goldhawk-Road

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    Viktor Tanukovytch was a Russian puppet until he was ousted in 2014.
     
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  3. BobbyD

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    I don't disagree with that.

    That still doesn't mean he was fraudulently elected though.

    Just as Boris is a rich mans puppet but we have to accept he was democratically elected at the time
     
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  4. Goldhawk-Road

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    There was huge Russian interference in the elections
     
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  5. Staines R's

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    Was he ousted in a democratic election ?

    Asking for a friend
     
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    Much like the US election then……allegedly
     
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  7. Goldhawk-Road

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    There was a People's Revolution when the government elected to streamline ready for EU membership, instead moved to closer ties Russia after heavy Russian pressure.
     
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  8. Stroller

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    ...and Brexit <whistle>
     
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    One man’s “people’s revolution” is another man’s “right wing coup”

    In the new Ukrainian democracy…..how many political parties are banned ?
     
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    I know we don’t see eye to eye on Brexit Strolls…but that really did make me laugh out loud :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  11. Goldhawk-Road

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    How can it be a right wing coup when 92% then vote for pro Western parties?
     
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    Possibly because many Left Wing and Socialist parties have been banned……just a thought
     
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  13. Goldhawk-Road

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    The Communist Party is banned apparently but there is a socialist anti-EU party
     
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  14. Staines R's

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    Is it democratic to ban the largest opposition party (one which controlled 44 seats in the Ukrainian Parliament) ?

    I dunno…but to me it just seems rather……undemocratic ?
    Of course our views on what constitutes a “democracy” might be a tad different.
     
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    Russia's fingerprints were all over the Ukrainian Communist Party. It treated Ukraine as a controllable satellite.
     
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    I wasn’t talking about the Communist Party…….
     
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  17. Goldhawk-Road

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    Security laws kick in. You can hardly allow parties supported by a nation of an invading army.
     
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    So therefore you stop being a democracy then…..
     
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    Britain banned the fascist party at the end of the 1930's. Did that stop it being a democracy?
     
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    Can a “fascist” truly be “democratic” ?
     
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