Absolutely needs to be on Walton St. The area is well overdue development. We need to think bigger in this city.
If the council, Labour or whoever, were to reject it, can the developer appeal to a higher central government body to override a local council decision? The site is a massive eyesore. It should have been redeveloped years ago. But, eh, this is Hull. It took the council 40 years to demolish the Edwin Davis store, after it closed in 1978..FFS.
Yeah that's an interesting debate isn't it. It obviously brings income in for the council (no idea how much but presumably it shows in accounts?) but I would imagine most of the money spent by people goes out of the area at the end of the week. Doubt that is offset by visitors coming in, but I've never seen a breakdown. Would be interesting
I think that is a bit shortsighted, I'm sure it would likely generate more business for the local area. The Fair gives them a hit for a week a year, a sports village should attract many more people all year round.
Looking at Google maps the Costello site, including the next door playing fields, is bigger than Walton street and given the liklehood they could build an athletics track with the new mini stadium could that not host the fair once levelled off? Main road next to it for public transport too.
After I posted and read it again, I could see maybe he meant the fair, not the Village. I per-normal I got the wrong end of the stick
It brings income for the council but the vast majority of the traders aren't local. All it seems to do is leave the city skint and the 'fair people' move on to the next show. The City would probably be significantly financially better off if the fair was binned completely.
Aye I meant the Fair I think the Sports Village is a no-brainer, it'll create jobs and help the broader community for 52 weeks a year. I suspect it's that's the reason, the council will block it. There's not a long queue of people wanting to spend millions developing the city.
As a City fan I have to say that this, for me, is far more exciting than the signing of players and prospect of playing Premier League football any time soon. It has the potential to be huge for the club, Hull FC, grassroots sport locally as well as give the local economy a massive boost. Not to mention the fan experience. As I have admitted before I go to Man City a lot with my little girl who is a fan and the whole site there is fantastic. Everything on one campus but not only that game day allows for fans to congregate in a number of outlets with all sorts of entertainment around the stadium. My kids played street football inside a little cage last time we went, the time before that she met an England/Man City ladies player having watched her speaking on the stage whilst I had a pint. There is usually a decent band on too. As much as City try those concourses do not allow for much of a pre-game experience. The music artists are great but its so loud, this would be so much better outside on a stage with bars and food outlets so people can spread out and enjoy a couple of hours pre-game entertainment. I love going to City but as I am now unable to get to the pub with the lads the pre-game is boring as hell. We (missus and 2 x kids) walk up from station at 2pm, get 3 x bottles of beer at around 2:30pm and stand on the concourse for 20 minutes whilst the kids sit in their seats watching the warm up. We are trying to time it later and later as the 3 bottles of warm piss are becoming less and less appealing. I dont blame the club, there is very little they can offer currently but this would be a game changer.
What the short sighted people of Hull aren't grasping is this isn't a Scrap The Fair debate, a bigger better fairground with a proper park and ride could be built somewhere like Costello and we could have the sports infrastructure investment going into Walton Street as well, we can have both, the council can have both income streams, we can build to sustain top flight football, and retain our Turkish income stream, what is so difficult and why do so many people wish to block Hull City's progress in this city?
Be interesting to know the actual figures though. 'The City' may be, or may not be, financially better off it was binned, but it's not 'The City' that would decide (apart from in the ballot boxes if it became a manifesto for elections) The decision would be taken by the City Council, and they are definitely better off with the Fair To what extent I don't know and of course there'd be a tipping point where money leaving the City would be worse than the income they get...but I've no idea what that is, or even whether its been worked out And of course no one is suggesting its binned anyway
Exactly. It is a worry that so many people cannot comprehend what this could mean for the City of Hull.
It’s hard to know exactly what the people of Hull think. The people who contribute to the HDM are probably very few in number, many likely multiposting using different names, and are generally idiotic. But, to get some sort of grasp on it, you can superficially use attendances. Let’s say City have averaged 20k home fans over the last 20 years or so (I know it’s not that high and fans come from the ER too), that’s less than 10% of the city population who give a **** enough to go. If you compared that to % who attend Hull Fair, then I would have thought the latter would be higher. Now these figures are just to make a point and are not scientific, nor really worthy of making any decisions based on it, but you can see how it might be stacked against City’s interests. If it is possible to find out, I would have thought the majority of the people of Hull would think, in this order: Not give a **** either way. Want the fair to exist in some form. Want City to prosper. I think rather than take to some sort of culture battle on the HDM comments section, just write to your local councillors and MPs stating that this development is vital for the city and City. Perhaps the supporters groups, the trust and the like can organise some stuff. Maybe John from Walkington will come out of shadows and submit a new dossier too.
Yes, he muttered something about a 40K indoor Ice Arena that can accommodate wrestling and darts? Nutter.
I don't know about that. I think there's a possibility that some City fans in support of this development, in their rush to brand the people of Hull as stuck in their ways and blocking progress, are failing to consider whether or not it actually is a scrap the fair debate. I'm not sure that anyone has a workable plan for moving the fair away from Walton Street. I think some people are just insisting the fair shouldn't be a problem, while ignoring the reality that it might well be.
