Depends, I think. Difficult to categorise the reaction to their plan as absolute hysteria and just as unthought through as the plan itself appeared to be. I'd like to see a more sober assessment of what it was intended to achieve versus what it was going to achieve. I still think that if the income tax cut to the top earners hadn't been in there it would have gone through and Truss and co. would still be there.
While there may have been many reasons for people to choose to vote FOR Brexit, I would dispute your claim the NO ONE HAD A CLUE WHAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR' The one thing I'm certain of is that the vast majority knew what they were voting against. The EU. A Trading Union, this was what I voted for first time round. And IF The EU had still been a Trading Union, me and millions of other would have voted in favout in any subsequent Referenda. But this Trading Union had gradually morphed into something very different. Distancing ourselves from it's future problems seemed a good idea to me.
Too optimistic I think. All former Prime Ministers, even one as short term as Truss, get opportunities to pop up in Public. Of course, if she had a conscience, she would 'retire' from Public Life, but her ego is a match for Boris. As an example she was happy to be seen amongst the former PM's at The Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday. This is not someone who is going to fade quietly into the night.
I have absolutely no issue with anyone seeking redemption but it requires humility, honesty and ownership of mistakes. I'm fed up of leaders saying phrases like "I've learned a lot" and then demonstrating that they've learned absolutely nothing, still insisting they were right (despite the evidence) and blaming others. If Liz Truss wants to start by apologising to the British public for her naivety and for putting unnecessary strain on the finances of millions of households around the country, then we can maybe consider forgiving her and offering her redemption. Until then she can **** off.
Blair... brown nosed Bush by going to war in Iraq Cameron... screwed a pig and put his party before country with Brexit vote May... stupidly went to the polls when her reasonable deal for Brexit voted down Bonko incapable of telling the truth, all about his ego and drinking, shagging and getting money. Truss, stark staring crackers. Little Rishi, weak, filthy rich, so not a man of the people, but see Bonko above, will not do grubby deals etc for cash Have I missed anyone?
Difficult to deny that PMs are getting poorer and poorer as politics becomes more and more polarised, mainly by the politicians themselves. We have a choice whether to help them or not.
That's all fair enough mate and all quite understandable. I just don't think the arguments about fish quotas and carrot subsidies made any sense or persuaded people to vote to leave. I think it was basically based on not liking the idea that foreigners had any say in our affairs ... ... but I'm happy to accept I might be totally wrong and people really understood all the financial, legal and logistical complexities.
Dennis Healy, beach commander WWII, he was lucky to be moved from one beach to another, his replacement was killed. Edward Heath tank officer Jim Calleghan navy. Men of that era had done stuff and had respect for each other. If they dropped a boll ock they resigned. Today, straight from oxbridge Bullington club, then a SPAD then MP... done fcuk all in their lives and often haven't had a proper job Means they bring zero experience of the real world. Although Sunak worked for Goldman Sachs and Starmer DPP
It's not restricted to one side or the other. Once the nose is in the trough, that's it. Change it by making every seat require hard work to get into and then stay in. It's part of the polarization agenda though - if you become convinced you'd never vote for 'the enemy' then you can stop working for the people.
Very much a side issue the thought has occurred to me that TV has had some odd effects on us since it became popular. I suppose it would have been in the early seventies, the first time Ted Heath appeared at The Cenotaph as Leader of The Opposition. The TV cameras revealed that he had a chest full of medals. Till then I had no idea that he had ever been in The Services. It turns out that he enlisted as a Private and came out as a Lt Colonel, in The Royal Artillery, with an OBE a having been mentioned in Dispatches. He was involved in The Normandy Landings, and the subsequent advances. Then the TV cameras panned onto Harold. One medal. Over the next few days there was a fair bit of interest, how come Ted had so many, and what was Harold's. one. So Ted's War Record became rather better known and we all found out that Harold was wearing the medal awarded to those involved with The Coronation. His involvement was that he attended it. This was, perhaps, the only tome that Ted got one over, on Harold.
As l see it and the reason why l voted. After the change from a trading zone to an international government l felt the British heart wasn't in it, and from a European perspective that we were not wanted. Six of one etc. Many issues were just stand off between both sides and one side had very little influence. I deliberated for a long time before l decided to vote, but vote l did. You may speculate as to which way but l believe in strength in numbers.
I voted leave mainly because of the principle of subsidiarity, I do not think the United States of Europe would ever work, or even if it did stagger along it would be to the UKs detriment. Nothing wrong with being part of some trade agreement with Europe, I voted in on the first referendum... I also reckon we would take an economic hit, but Covid19 and the Russian invasion of the Ukraine have made it worse. I also reckon Corbyn was wrong not to support May's Brexit deal. Naturally Bonko's partial brexit (ie NI not solved) was absolutely is worse.
I voted in the first to join, l was so unsure as which way to vote that l didn't decide until 15 minutes from the polls closing. I walked up to my polling station and the police officer said fxxk me you've left it let there starting to close up. Two minutes to ten o clock. I cannot believe that a solution to the boarder of N. Ireland has still not be found although it would heip if Stormont was back up and running..
