Who's we? I clearly stated my Mrs is a full time top of grade secondary school teacher. So yes, she gets 'paid' for lunch breaks, as it all forms part of her salary.
And @haslam has yet to say which countries teachers work fewer hours. Given that it's seemingly factually incorrect that British teachers do. I don't know either way tbf, but my own Mrs's hours of seven a day (which, again, is full time) seems quite low to me in the grand scheme of things.
I've genuinely no idea what you're on about and what exactly it is you're trying to refute to be honest?
i asked because as a civil servant we were not paid for lunch breaks we had 37hr weeks which were hours worked so your time sheet would be something like 7:55 -12:10 = 4.15 13:00 - 16:15 = 3:15 so 7:30 worked and as Teachers are also in the public Sector i wondered if it was the same for them . Tbh i'm beginning to regret my inquisitive nature now .
Well, ok that's different. Sounds like flexible hours. If you submit a timesheet and get paid hourly, then that's what you get paid. Your lunch break doesn't go on your timesheet, I'd suppose. If you're on a salary (which, without sounding like a stuck record, full time max hours teachers on grades are) then you just get your monthly pay. Which, in my assessment, means lunch breaks are factored in and, therefore, paid. *forgive me, I thought it was obvious, sorry.
2 questions: a) She doesn't do any work outside those 7 hours? No prepping/marking/meetings/etc b) Are her school looking for Maths teachers?
Oh to answer the hours thing then just off the top of my head Finland is renowned for having short educational hours and yet one of the best educational systems in the world. It all depends on what you count as hours, the state there discourages the setting and use of formal homework and encourages regular breaks in the school day and shorter core hours. I know a few Dutch teachers (so hardly a great sample size!) and they do about the same number of hours in school on a daily basis but a) don't get any free periods (we get 2.5 hours a week in school time to do planning/marking/etc, it doesn't begin to cover it all but it's nice to get) b) are only really paid to teach, there's no general expectation that they do the other stuff we do here. On paper they work more hours (like 3-4 per week I'd guess) but will spend fewer hours each week actually doing work - if that makes sense. It depends on what you count as 'work', for me it's a question of how many hours I spend each week doing my job whether I'm in school or at home. Hard to measure really, when they do studies (and they do every year) they gauge that they think teachers average working week has dropped from 55 to more like 49 hours per week during term time (government numbers there) but it's very open for debate what you count as work. I'll freely admit that I'll often spend 2 hours in an evening doing marking in front of the TV which i could do in an hour if i sat at a desk and focused on it solely.
No it's not you, I'm amazed you'd think it was. Literally every teacher I've ever known - even the **** ones or the jobsworths don't just work the directed hours. Near enough every teacher I know takes work home, they'll sit planning and prepping or marking late into the evenings. And at least one of their weekend days will be allocated to school work. It's like most public sector jobs which are under-resourced and under-staffed relying on the goodwill of those working within them to keep them running as best they can. Like saying GP's only do 40 hrs a week or Nurses 37, when the reality (and the demands of the job) is quite different. Carole Malone knows best though. I agree about the work to rule thing you mentioned earlier. The only thing I'd say though is that teachers do the job and the extra hours because it's a vocation. If you strike it's one day of disruption. But, you do work to rule (and whilst I agree it would really highlight how impossible it would be for the whole educational system to function effectively) the damage it would do to kids' education would be longer lasting and more sustained. Having said that, if it's cutting the fat of all the pointless paperwork and data analysis spreadsheets, then yeh I'm all for that lol.
Why do you do your job if you hate it so much, look for another job, no one forces you to be a teacher. You're generally either moaning about the system the parents or the kids, you are clearly not suited to what you are doing, so why stay in the profession! Clearly the pay and hours are not as bad as you like to pretend, otherwise you wouldn't do it. I've not seen anyone discuss how many hours a GP does, or a nurse, or even anyone in the teaching profession, other than teachers themself. I do wonder what the kids and parents would think of half of Mr Trebs constant whinging, maybe you need to hold a parents meeting to get it out of your system.
I managed in a call centre and I done all of that, well not marking but going through reports and my team stats. Just accepted it as part of my job, tbh. I imagine many professions do. Is this why teachers are striking? Wow.
Its actually sinking in now that teachers are just complaining cos they do work away from school. **** me, all the holidays that kids get from school as well. Should count themselves lucky. Loads of people do extra work away from the office without all the constant breaks.
I've not seen anyone else moan on this site about their jobs, other than teachers lol. Oh actually tell a lie, Luv is happier when working in his shed.
