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3 Ferrari's, 3 McLarens, 3 Red Bulls and 3 Mercedes but ditch 2 lower teams?

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Delete Me, Nov 6, 2011.

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  1. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    Would you want to see a line up like this:

    Red Bull: Vettel=Webber=Ricciardo/Jaime
    Ferrari: Alonso=Massa=Perez/Kubica
    McLaren: Jenson=Lewis=Di Resta/Kamui
    Mercedes: Schumacher=Rosberg=Hulk/Kimi

    What would not be to love with a lineup like that?
    Who would you put in the 3rd seat?
    Is F1 too big for Jordan like teams now?


    DC thinks it's a bad idea.....I dont! The bigger the title fight the better. <cheers>
     
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  2. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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    I think the teams were discussing this recently. I'll post a link when I find it.
     
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  3. Paco Montoya

    Paco Montoya Well-Known Member

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    But what if another team builds a faster car/equally quick, then they will be at a disadvantage in the constructors. If they do manage to beat one, do they then get 3 seats?
     
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  4. jerseymackem

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    I think the system's fine now, it's dull to have Red Bull/Red Bull/Ferrari or McLaren on the podium, a Red Bull lockout every race would be soul-destroying.
     
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  5. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    Simple, only the top 2 cars in 1 team can add to the constructors.
     
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  6. Paco Montoya

    Paco Montoya Well-Known Member

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    That's a good idea, or an obvious one and I'm not really awake. Anyway, I agree with jerseymackem, if one team dominates a completely Red Bull podium would be dull. Yet as I write this I think that 3 cars means that there would be less chance of one driver running away with it, as he would have two team mates.

    I need to think about this
     
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  7. TheModestMatt

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    great idea but would cost teams waaaaay to much money, i would rather bring back refueling.
     
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  8. martial artist

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    i dont think it would work silver , not withstanding that it would be very unfair on the teams that were being dropped as every team had to start on the bottom ,

    i think you would get into a situation of over the top team orders with two cars riding shotgun on the other team member which to a certain extent would devalue the WDC
    -it would only take one team to do it and in the worst scenario all 4 teams would be following suite to give there chosen driver the best chance to win the WDC --

    i could be way of base but i think there would be a risk of this happening ---
     
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  9. Forza Bianchi

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  10. cosicave

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    I disagree with the idea of three cars per team.

    To do so would reduce the number of competitors (competing teams) and leave F1 vulnerable to being worse affected in the event of a team's subsequent withdrawal (which would also become more likely), than at present. On top of that, if only two of the three cars score points, the third car will inevitably be used as a strategic blocker; which will do nothing for the spectacle.

    And finally: running an extra car will increase a team's costs - making it ever more difficult for a new team to consider entering in the future.
     
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  11. RoadRunner

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    Teams of three, no thank ye. That'd mean for a grid of 24, we'd only have eight teams (which I'd be perfectly OK with). Which four teams would you suggest we drop? Obvious choices would be the back four, and based on this year's results it'd be HRT, Virgin, Lotus and Williams (gasp). Overall, it's an interesting concept though, but I still quite like some of the backmarker teams and don't want to see them drop.
     
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  12. Bergkamp a Dutch master

    Bergkamp a Dutch master New Member

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    Imagine putting another 6 'rows' of cars at the back of the grid to accommodate 36 cars !!

    - Otherwise its only 8 teams for 24 grid spots - No thanks.
     
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  13. Bob Bobbinz

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    3 cars from a dominant team would still effectively be 3 scoring cars. If they finished 1,2, and 3 then sure only 1st and 2nd get points, but 3rd denies 3rd place points from the car finishing 4th and giving the 4th place car the points for 3rd despite finishing 4th would clearly be wrong, especially if they were several seconds behind 3rd place and showed no signs of ever contesting the place.

    It's an interesting concept, I'd have to hear a very good pro and con arguments from the teams to finally make my decision on the matter.
     
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  14. WestCoastBoogaloo

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  15. cosicave

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    Good post Westy.
    It's pleasing to see some common-sense in his article.

    It would be a good thing for F1 to present more resistance to Ferrari and (currently) di Montezemolo. For the good of 'sport', they would do well to call his bluff, cut the extra payments and various other forms of favouritism Ferrari have come to expect so much that they dictate, and tell them "It's like this Monty: love it or leave it. The ball is in your court and if you don't want to play, you can't take our balls with you."

    Of course, the problem is that the FIA is full of Ferrari sycophants. Furthermore, Bernie has never made a secret of his favourite team. Neither did Max Mosley. And we all know where that little froggy toad used to be&#8230;
     
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  16. Delete Me

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    Well considering Monaco can only hold 24-26 cars, it's debatable that every other circuit could hold 30+ cars and we could have 10 teams with 3 cars over the season if we wanted right now. The future structure is there, it's only the teams like HRT and Virgin that need to go.

    When was the last time you thought HRT and Virgin did a good job? That's right never...


    Red bull
    Ferrari
    McLaren
    Mercedes
    Force India
    Lotus
    Caterham
    Toro Rosso
    Williams
    Sauber

    You telling me 10 teams isn't variety enough?

    Isn't like there arn't enough billionaires running these teams now and if they feel confident to be able to manage it within an increased budget by a 3rd for the other car, it gives a bigger variety to the WDC and hopefully a better championship.
     
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  17. Delete Me

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    So mid teams won't be able to score...

    Isn't that why they expanded the scoring system from 8 cars to 10...so what's stoping them to expand it to 12-14?
     
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  18. cosicave

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    With current circuit design philosophy, 26 cars is the present absolute limit of practicality. There is not enough room in F1 to accommodate 10 teams of three cars; in fact, even 9 is beyond current capacity. And yes; 13 teams is better than 12 - even if this includes much slower teams; just as 12 teams is better than 8 (or 9 if you've somehow managed to shoe-horn them in).

    The more varied the competition, the better. Think of it as insurance: it gives better protection to have more teams, than to promote a situation where there are progressively fewer baskets for the eggs&#8230;

    The FIA should stop pandering to Ferrari, and their whims and wishes should not be accommodated.
    They do not want competition - and in all honesty I say they never really have. More cars will suit the wealthy; and as is always the case, whether in or out of sport; this goes closer towards monopolisation, rather than further from it. Of course, this is exactly what di Montezemolo wants because it gives his team even more clout! For a start, they are by far the wealthiest team, making competition easier for themselves. But it also means they would have even greater power to hold everyone else to ransom.
     
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  19. Delete Me

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    Ferrari have more power because they were offered a contract as were Williams and McLaren in the stake of F1. But McLaren and Williams didn't sign on the dotted line quick enough (because they had their own agenda) ...6-8 months not quick enough.
     
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  20. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'm one for more teams, but I wouldn't be against second teams. If the team wants to run a second team the FIA could just add some extra rules, like drivers must be under 23 (random number), maybe have a tighter budget? Things are working out ok as they are now, but if teams drop out again the FIA may need to look at expanding the pack in other ways.
     
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