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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal

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  1. SarrMan

    SarrMan Well-Known Member

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    Much like wenger at arsenal, past his sell by date and kept on to long but also like wenger, give it time and he’ll always be a club legend.
     
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  2. cini65

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    That's a bit like when some United fans said they won the second half against City earlier in the season.
     
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  3. The RDBD

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    Strange is it not that under said managers, when
    the football has been entertaining, material aims
    (returning to UEFA land. getting into the CL, being in
    actual league title fights, CL final etc) have been met
    as a by-product ...
     
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  4. PowerSpurs

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    If you play a different formation to the opposition you deliberately give up one area of the pitch to dominate another. That's exactly what happened. We had much better chances than them, even in the first half. They barely had a chance in the second half.
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

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    He certainly revolutionised Italian football, as they were welded to 442 until he came along, but now a three-man backline is pretty standard not just for the Italian NT but also Juventus, Inter, Roma, Atalanta and others have all switched to three man backlines

    The main issue this season is that in his previous jobs you could see that he wanted the team to play a set formation and it was set up to those exact specifications, but this is not the case with us. As I've said a few times this season, the way our midfield is set up makes perfect sense if we were playing 3412 but we're not doing that, we were playing 343 for a chunk of the season before recently reverting back to the 3421 of last season's run-in when the issue remains that the Hojbjerg/Bentancur pairing would be ideal with an AM in front of them, but without one we create a gap between our midfield and front line which is maintained by Conte insisting that H plays as an out-and-out CF as if the previous 2-3 seasons haven't been enough evidence his game is much more expansive than that

    And here's the irritating thing about that: Conte was reportedly the one who turned down making a move for James Maddison in the summer who would absolutely be doing a job in that role given how he's carrying Leicester this season, and that decision has genuinely looked like a season-breaker since late October
     
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  6. remembercolinlee

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    It's the conclusion you drew while looking at those facts that I disagree with.

    We had 4 attempts (2 on target) at ht to their 8 (4 on target) and 2 goal lead.
    Thats a fact.

    We have conceded first in 9 of our last 10 league games.

    We have conceded 2 goals or more in 12 of our last 18 games.

    We have been awful to watch in countless first halves this season in all competitions.

    Presumably, using your stats in this post, you thought that the Villa result was a disaster. In that game they had 14 attempts (6 on target) to our 6 attempts (4 on target).
     
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  7. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    If a team's midfield is getting overrun, they're already giving up two areas of the pitch: the midfield is a lost cause, and that has the knock-on effect that the frontline will be starved of service - and as we saw multiple times during the ubermensch's tenure, we were routinely giving away all three areas of the pitch as our defence was overrun due to our non-existent midfield
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

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    Ramsdale looked like a toddler, apparently...
     
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  9. Spurf

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    I agree with you Power but we are heavily outnumbered on this thread and probably by Spurs fans in general.
    We have a situation where certain players are heavily criticised on here before the game starts . Lloris had the worst game I have seen from him and Spurs were clearly shocked by the howlers and the whole side suffered in the first half as a result. In the second half in contrast Ramsdale picked up man of the match, which is a clue to how the second half went.
    I don't think our team is anywhere nearly as bad as many suggest but clearly at the moment Arsenal are the better team and deserve their position at the top of the league. No other side has been as consistent as them this season so far.

    I think we need to stay with Conte and sign the players he needs rather than go through the whole change process again. Whether the fans have the patience for that I don't know.
     
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  10. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    We’ll almost certainly be doing that soon anyway as his contract ends in the summer and I doubt he or the club will agree to trigger the 12 month extension.
     
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  11. Left on the Shelf

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    Make that 3. When you concede the MF you're going to end up with a defence under additional pressure and making (even more) mistakes, as happened in the first half.
    The fact that Hojbjerg was so bad today meant that Sarr was covering 3 opponents.
     
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  12. Spurf

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    That we don't know , we are only half way through the season. Things can change dramatically by happenings in this transfer window or by Spurs going on a run as they did last season.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    That's basically how every second half under the ubermensch went: concede midfield,. isolate the front line and wait for the PTSD to affect the defenders. usually Dier...
     
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  14. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    We need to have one very successful window and for our manager to change/ improve his tactics as well as alter his squad management in order to dramatically change for the better.

    I guess it’s not impossible but it is extremely improbable, especially as we’re almost halfway through this very window and we’ve signed the grand total of zilch, including the manager’s first choice target who we’ve been told since before the window opened won’t be sold for anything below his release clause.
     
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  15. humanbeingincroydon

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    Except the reports are currently saying we're close to agreeing a deal for £27m + an 18 month loan, which will presumably be Emerson
     
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  16. Left on the Shelf

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    If it was just today, against Arsenal, I'd be more inclined to agree. However, the same fundamental errors, slow starts, confused selection etc have afflicted virtually every game this season.
    Something has gone seriously wrong, as the majority of the players who managed to nick a CL place in May are struggling game in, game out.
    I'm not sure that sacking Conte is the answer, but the longer he continues to traipse out the 'everything is fine' dialogue, the more I think he might be the problem.
     
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  17. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Yeah, Sporting’s gonna accept a significantly lower fee and a player that can’t play RWB for one of their star players.
     
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  18. Spurf

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    I don't accept your view of his squad management because I simply don't think that any of us are in a position to have such forthright views when we don't have all the information. None of us know what happens all week in training or what other factors come into play such as attitudes of individuals to teamwork or tactics or training in general. The name of the team that we see turn out each week are not there because of managerial whims they are decided in this case by a manager with massive experience, who's record in management speaks for itself. I am not putting my views up against his just halfway through a season. Especially when he made it clear that this would be a 3 year project.
     
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  19. humanbeingincroydon

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    If only there was a track record of Sporting accepting offers significantly below the release clause for one of their players from a Premier League club

    Oh wait...
     
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  20. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I indeed think he is the main problem.

    I don’t buy for one minute Spurs are as bad as he’s making us play.

    Kane, Son, Kulusevski, Richarlison, Bentancur, Hojbjerg, Bissouma, Skipp, Perisic, Lenglet’s, Romero etc

    When you’ve got those at your disposal there’s little excuse to play as badly as we do. Especially when you look at the players Howe, Frank, De Zerbi etc are working with and how well they all play.
     
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