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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Portsmouth

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  1. Left on the Shelf

    Left on the Shelf Well-Known Member

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    He's quality and we need him. If Conte lets him go out on loan that would be ridiculous.
    So expect him to go...<doh>
     
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  2. The Huddlefro

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    The assistant manager did the pre-match press conference and said he thinks Sarr will stay with the club this season. He’s definitely got something to offer as the games and injuries and fatigue will stack up.
     
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  3. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Realistically we all know Sarr won’t get a look-in unless injuries persist. It’s the same for Gil. So I’d be in favour of him going on loan for now.

    It’s Conte’s ****ty management with young players for you, even though those two especially are outperforming more senior ones when given chances. The same would likely be for Spence but I’ve given up for the poor guy, just leave and make a career for yourself.
     
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  4. The Huddlefro

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    I don’t think we can afford that risk. All it takes is an injury and a suspension and we’re down to 2 senior CMs, and one of those is Skipp, who Sarr has arguably looked brighter than since the restart. We need a proper plan for him next season though, a full season at a good level will do him wonders.
     
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  5. Alfie Conn

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    With today's evidence I would ask about the whole team ,dead ball delivery has been woeful for a long time, apart from a brief spell from Eriksen I struggle , Bale was the last that I recall
     
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  6. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    It depends on how risky you view it. We currently have six CMs vying for two starting spots and it's taken a freak situation where two CMs are injured and one is rested for him to get his first start for the club. Assuming Bissouma will be ok and Bentancur recovers in time (no idea what fitness level he'll be at though) for next week then Sarr drops back down to the bench or possibly even out of the squad if other players like Richarlison and Lucas also return, despite the fact he's probably done enough to warrant a start, then it'll be back to twiddling his thumbs like he done for the first half of the season. When it comes to managing younger players, we can read Conte like a book, unfortunately.

    That's why I'd rather loan him out, even if it means waiting a week or two to do so, because it's pretty clear he's a mega talent but almost certainly won't get a run in the side, so I'd rather he get that elsewhere and return in the summer looking to gatecrash that midfield.
     
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    Really hope Gil and Sarr are kept with the first team for the rest of the season. Unfortunately as others have said Conte just dosent favour Spence as it was another opportunity to see Spence today and he plays the garbage Emerson again.

    Tanganga, Sanchez, Emerson, Sessegnon just poor players technically and all need to go and be improved upon this window and next.

    Bit worried about young Skippy, I know he's had his injuries, his attitude is first class and I'd love to see him be a top player at Spurs but as it stands I just can't see it.
     
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  8. The Huddlefro

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    Who is the 6th? I think we only have 5, no? And if those only Hojbjerg and Bentancur have performed reliably well. Bissouma has been hit and miss, Skipp looks rusty, and Sarr has been the unknown quantity. A lot of the issues for those 3 can be put down to game time, but still. We need 5 CMs for 2 spots. I’d argue that Sarr isn’t even at the bottom of the pecking order right now.
     
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  9. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    White, who probably won't be loaned either because this club enjoys doing him over.

    The first two months of the season Bissouma barely got off the bench, let alone Skipp and Sarr (plus White), so it's not really a surprise Hojbjerg and Bentancur are the only two that performed as they were the only two to regularly play, which is largely why Skipp's been rusty and Sarr's remained an unknown quantity until the last week. The CL groups are over and we're out of the League Cup so the likelihood Conte suddenly rotates more at the crucial stages of the season is practically impossible, meaning that providing there's no significant injuries, three of our CMs are very likely to have limited to no minutes between now and the end of the season and Sarr is almost certainly going to be one of them, despite impressing.
     
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  10. PleaseNotPoll

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    I'm sure that Conte will be extremely happy with that.
    We won, we kept a clean sheet, we rested about 9 players and the opposition created nothing.
    Even the subs were young players that don't play much part in most squads.
    That's despite a ton of injuries, including one in the warm-up.

    Was anyone else happy with that, though? It was bloody abysmal.
    No creativity and very few chances against a poor League One side with no manager.
    Standard first half without a goal (12 in 13) and plenty of mediocre performances, too.
    Kane being allowed to take a free-kick now is just silly.

    Sarr was a highlight and Spence actually getting on the pitch was good, too.
    No idea why Emerson switched to left-wingback, though. Bizarre choice.
    The atmosphere reflected both the crowd (kids and tourists) and the performance.
    How is anyone supposed to get excited by this dull, unambitious ****e?

    I'm not going to address any poor individual performances, except to ask about coaching.
    We're supposed to have a world class manager.
    Why are so many players apparently stagnating or getting worse?
    What the **** is being worked on in training, as it doesn't appear to show on the pitch?
     
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  11. Roo

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    if he continues to play like he has over the last couple of games, it’s going to be hard to keep him out of the first 11. Gatecrashing the midfield may already be underway.
     
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  12. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Conte's probably just in prime WUM mode. It's working to be fair.
    Son's the only one stagnating in my opinion and whilst the style of play certainly hasn't helped, he's just looking so off of it at the moment that I'm not sure I can even fully blame Conte on that one. Running into blind alleys, shooting when surrounded by four defenders, poor passing and he looks a yard slower than usual. I'm genuinely worried about him.
     
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  13. The Huddlefro

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    I don’t disagree with your points, I just think that it’s not good management of the club to have White as our only backup CM should something bad happen to one or two of the others. Ideally I want Sarr to go on loan too but I just think it makes more sense for the club to keep him around and sort that out in the summer. He obviously needs to play. It’s just a risk to send him away
     
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  14. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I agree and I think most managers would too but if I were still a betting man I'd put money on him dropping to the bench (or worse) within a couple weeks because Conte will tell us he's young and not ready. Just like he's been banging on all season that Gil isn't too.

    But Lucas, Richarlison (at RW), Emerson and Sessegnon definitely are ready <rofl>
     
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  15. PleaseNotPoll

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    Skipp, Sanchez, Tanganga, Sessegnon, Emerson, Bissouma, Lloris?
    I'm sure Doherty and Davies would go on some people's lists, too.

    Son's confidence looks absolutely shot and he says he can't see in that mask, either.
    Kane playing on the shoulder suits neither of them, despite the goals he's getting.
    Neither does anything in each first half, then they switch things and we start creating, generally.
    Madness.
     
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  16. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Skipp is down to rustiness, as is Tanganga. When you start roughly one in fifteen and barely get on the pitch in between how can you be expected to perform?
    Sanchez has always been a player capable of spectacular ****s ups despite the ability to be a decent defender, he's been no different under Conte than he was under Poch and Jose in my opinion.
    Lloris I think is just ageing, even in his prime he used to make one or two errors, now the errors have increased. This will probably be his final season as first choice as I think a keeper will be brought in over the summer.
    Bissouma yeah agree, he's being ruined.
    I don't think there's been anything wrong with Davies to be honest, he's been as solid as last season.
    Sessegnon, Emerson and Doherty would've actually needed to have played well for us for them to decline/ stagnate.

    Son's mask has only been on for a few games, he's been **** all season so I won't consider that a factor. Kane playing more advanced may be a problem for him but then with Son's level of finishing at the moment I think there's an argument to say it's a good job Kane's been more focused on scoring goals because I don't see where they'd be coming from otherwise as Son is scuffing shots and missing chances he'd usually bury.
     
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  17. PleaseNotPoll

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    I agree, but surely that's on the manager?
    He doesn't seem to want to play younger players, except for Emerson. Constantly.

    Kane doesn't seem to score them when he's leading the line, though.
    He didn't touch the ball against Villa for the first 20 minutes, for example.
    The unpredictability of his movement makes him and others more dangerous.
    We don't have enough players who create chances or look to get on the end of them.
     
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  18. The Changing Man

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    Totally agree that we should have added to our cup wins in the last 30 years - However the 2nd half of your statement could be aimed at every owner in the country so its not exactly unique to Spurs
     
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  19. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Yeah in terms of game time they've stagnated but I still rate both players, especially Skipp, and I think he'd look fine within one or two more starts.
    The lack of faith in the younger players is infuriating though, Gil and Sarr have already proven him wrong with his stubbornness but I won't hold my breath they'll keep their spots once others return.
    Villa was just a shambles of a performance to be honest, albeit we've said that too many times this season.
    I think he's been much more predator-like playing as a number 9 than he has in the last two or so years playing as the hybrid, his all round game has been nowhere near as impressive but his finishing has been frighteningly good.
     
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  20. The Huddlefro

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    Kane’s finishing is definitely getting back to where it was. He had 2 good seasons the last couple of years, but you didn’t have that feeling of certainty you used to where he had a chance and you just knew he’d score. For me, that’s coming back. I think the effectiveness of his all round game has been somewhat stunted because of dropping off a bit less and also just the players around him being out of form, or injured. Some of his play against Palace was much more like it though.
     
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