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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thursday 5th January)

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  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member
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    Good Morning. It's Thursday 5th January, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road

    Did individual errors cost Leeds three points

    West Ham's five game losing streak came to an end last night, but had to make do with a point, in an actioned packed encounter at Elland Road. The game was incredibly open considering the sheer gravity of what was at stake, with both sides taking it in turn to launch full on assaults on their opponent's goal.

    Leeds struck first just before the half hour mark. Rodrigo's quick throw-in found Gnonto in the Hammers third. He turned his man, and made a beeline for the edge of the penalty area. A perfectly weighted one-two with Summerville carved the West Ham's defence completely open, allowing the plucky Italian to open his Leeds Utd account in style.

    Individual errors have cost Leeds dearly this season, and this game proved no different. On the stroke of half-time, Pascal Struijk was adjudged to have clipped Jarrod Bowen in the penalty area, and after reviewing the incident, pointed to the spot. Lucas Paquetá stepped up to level the scoring going into the break.

    The visitors took the lead immediately after the break. Arronson's misplaced pass (to Roca) was intercepted by Scamacca. The Italian forward, turned, and with the assistance of the post, beat Meslier at his far post. Leeds looked visibly shell-shocked, and needed to regather their composure.

    Marsch decided to make some changes on the hour mark. Klich and Harrison came on, in favour of Arronson and Summerville (who was lucky to have stayed on the pitch after slicing Coufal down moments earlier). The duo made an instant impact, and the hosts were soon level.

    Adams through ball found Harrison, on the edge of the 'D'. He rode Declan Rice's challenge, and released Rodrigo, who had sight on goal. He took a touch before dispatching a left foot drive, giving Fabianski no chance. Not only was that his 10th goal of the season, but it marked his 100th appearance in a Leeds shirt.
    Both teams had chances to grab a winner late on, but on reflection, a draw was a fair result.

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    Klich emotional goodbye


    Mateusz Klich has played his final game for Leeds. The 32-year-old was in tears as his Leeds teammates gave him a guard of honour following the West Ham game. He is expected to fly out to Washington shortly, and pen a two-year with Wayne Rooney's DC United, ending his five and a half years at Elland Road.

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    When are Leeds at their most vulnerable?

    According to recent data, Leeds Utd look at their most vulnerable just before, and just after half-time. They also have a habit of conceding late goals.

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    There's never a good time to leak goals, though it seems Leeds do it at the very worst times. Interestingly, Leeds look a much stronger outfit in the second half of matches, though they tail off at the end.

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  2. bucks_is_leeds

    bucks_is_leeds Jonny big spuds
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    Goodbye Klich, whoever ends up with you are in for a treat especially if its the MLS

    Yes, two individual errors cost us again, although Pascal was unlucky IMO, yes it was a penno technically but he was unlucky it was looked at. Aaronson switched off as he wasn't having too many touches and could do with benching

    Fair play to summerville for going straight through Coufal, I love to see a bit of that.

    Also I think Marsch got his subs right yesterday but boy did he look like a man under pressure.

    Morning all <ok>
     
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  3. Eireleeds1

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    Morning all. Be prepared for more errors too. For the most part our players are average pl standard and most wouldn’t get into any other pl team. Doesn’t matter who the coach is, won’t change that. Best we can hope for is an average of a point a game for remainder of season. That will be tight. Just need to hope there’s three worse than us again
     
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  4. Gessa

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    I think that's where we're at presently, hoping there are 3 worse than us. 2 very poor teams on show last night, as the home team 1 up a nice little cushion to the bottom three but then we go on to yet again shoot ourselves in the foot.
    I know we're shopping in Spar in comparison to most but we're a **** show, we seem to find it impossible to keep hold of the ball for any length of time, it's like we're playing kick n rush at school. The players are making silly errors, as they did under Bielsa but the system is awful. I said I'd wait until the halfway stage to give my assessment on Marsch but I'm already there.
    Sorry buddy but this things just too big for you and I think you know it. I reckon he lies awake at night praying he's offered the USA national job, as a face saving way out of it all.
    The problem then being, who replaces him but surely we can find someone better.
     
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  5. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    I mean, he's not wrong....



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    Sounds as frustrated as we are.

    So far this year he has refused to play Firpo cos he recognises that he's not good enough. Llorente cost us loads of goals and has rarely been seen since. Bamford missed chance after chance and was benched. Harrison lost every ounce of form and was dropped. Roca dropped recently for his lack of form.

    He can't drop everyone. We're running out of players.
     
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  6. ristac

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    Morning All

    Moyes feels the goals they conceded were down to errors and bad defending, I guess most goals could be put down to an opposing player not doing what is expected of them.

    Forget getting the sack, Jesse looks ready to quit and I think Gessa is right, Jesse is preying someone offers him a job over in the USA. His after match interview he looked broken and he just keeps blaming the players for not following a game plan.

    The players might not be top drawer when it comes to quality but this coach is definitely out of his depth, the text book isn't going to plan and he hasn't run out of ideas, he simply never had any
     
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  7. Mr Wolves-White

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    Morning All

    Not to sound harsh but I'm glad Klich is going. I've been harping on for months about getting rid of the zimmer frame part of the squad and yes Klich is part of that. We need to get rid of the OAPs and bring in some young blood.
     
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  8. ristac

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    We've oodles of young blood, it's been the main part of every transfer window, we need someone ready to step straight into the first team, someone of quality and ready made, the finished article but we can't afford them
     
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  9. ristac

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    Adam Forshaw requires an operation as he has a hernia
     
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  10. Mr Wolves-White

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    Yeah we've got some young players but we've got about 6 or 7 players who are over the age of 30 and one of them should really be in receipt of DLA. We need to push the likes of Ayling, Rodrigo and Forshaw off the cliff now and bring in new players.
     
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  11. Eireleeds1

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    We’ve loads out of their depth at the club and it’s not just the coach.
     
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  12. bucks_is_leeds

    bucks_is_leeds Jonny big spuds
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    Doesn't add anything when fit anyway. Steady, won't win you matches. Happy if his contract which should never have been extended is terminated.

    No point of holding onto him in case we go into the championship, he won't be fit then either.
     
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  13. Mr Wolves-White

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    Just get rid of christ sake.
     
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  14. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    You can analyse any goal and find things to rectify from a defensive point of view. I can forgive Struijk for the penalty, he could be more aware of what is around him but its a split second decision. Aaronson on the other hand is a simple 10 yard pass that he doesn't even get close to making. That's not acceptable. It's these type of mistakes we excel at making. Real basic stuff.

    It seems I stick up for Marsch alot on here but he needs to find a way to cut these errors out. Bielsa couldn't do it and I don't think Marsch can either. I'm not sure there is a manager on the planet who can. I've blamed the players for over a year now and I've no reason to move away from that. I dunno if it's the crowd, the pressure of PL football, the intensity. These players can make 10 yard passes no problem but they fail to do so far too often in a white shirt. It's frustrating as hell.

    If they cut out the mistakes then we'd be top 10 right now.
     
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  15. ristac

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    Agree pay his contract up (that some fool agreed to extend) wish him well and send him on his way
     
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  16. Doc

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    Morning all :emoticon-0148-yes:

    First off bye to Klich who has served the club well and deserves the top deal he’s been offered in USA.

    Second forget replacing Klich unless Orta has an under the radar No8 he can get for peanuts. I think Marsch also said we won’t be replacing him as we have players inside the club already. The future I suspect is Gyabi, Gray, Greenwood and Perkins, maybe even Lewis Bate who is stepping up his performances.

    I hope Victor has someone in mind to replace Marsch because I agree with the lads on here that he may walk if he gets the USA job. I dont think he will be sacked however.

    Kinnear said welcome to Wober our first January signing. So does that mean our first January signing for years, which is true or our first of this January hinting more to come?
     
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  17. milkyboy

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    He’s spot on in his assessment. We look good in patches and very nervy in others. The real question is whether the players are actually capable to do what he wants consistently. And the debates will continue as to whether the fault lies with the players not being good enough or the manager not refining the system to not ask so much of them.

    It’s pressure. Nerves run through a team, you need ‘leaders’ and those that ‘lead by example’. I defend coops but I don’t think it’s helpful that our captain has often looked jittery under pressure. We may miss klich’s klichousery more than his football.
     
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  18. ristac

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    I used to think that when we were in the Championship then Bielsa came in and transformed them

    I AM NOT asking for Bielsa back or defending how it eventually turned out but I do believe Jesse is not bringing the best out of them

    Look at Aaronson and Roca, just a few weeks back I think yourself or someone pointed out how much better the Jesse signings were, I said I will hold judgement and they're now looking equally as bad as everyone else. You have to blame the coaching or team management for that
     
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  19. milkyboy

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    but when he’s over that he’ll be like a new signing in March
     
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    In fairness to Jesse, I haven't heard him use that gem yet, my guess is he will bring it out when Dallas returns
     
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