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  1. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    We did that well with the next 3 managers keeping the players DiCanio wanted rid of we climbed up to league one.
     
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    How many players do you think were in the relegation squad that Di Canio wanted rid of?

    It was an almost entirely different squad that Di Canio failed to manage to the one which went down.
     
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    All this talk of Di Canio brings back horror memories of Di Fanti and his chief scout. What a summer window that was, signing horrendous players left right and centre. Roberge, Diakete, Moghberg, Mavrias, Altidore, and numerous others. Di Canio wanted Huddlestone if I remember rightly, Di Fanti git him Cabral. What a mad time.
     
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    What’s that got to do with Di Canio wanting rid of the bad apples/piss heads from his squad? They were obviously all still there otherwise you would be criticising the next three managers who relegated us, he didn’t, and do you honestly think we’d of been out for 5 seasons if he was allowed to bring i his own players in instead of the 14 arseholes who were dumped on him?
     
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    The following 3 managers didn't relegate us either and they all got better results out of those "bad apples" than Di Canio did.

    I wouldn't trust Di Canio to bring in his own players. He had 41 different players in just 18 months at Swindon and was dragging his own signings off after 20 minutes of football. It's not possible to manage like that, which is why no-one has given him a job since.

    Is there one thing other than "shout at piss heads" which you think he did well?
     
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    How about taking relegated Swindon to promotion in his first season and resigning when they were top of league one in his second season?
     
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    So you think he was a good manager based on Swindon, not on anything he did at Sunderland?

    He did an excellent job at Swindon in terms of results, though he used 41 players, demanded signings and walked away when the club was in trouble financially and he wasn't getting his own way anymore.

    But then he moved to the Premier League where there are more egos than just his own and he couldn't hack it.

    The results prove he couldn't hack it and if he'd have carried on, we'd have gone down that season instead of 4 years later.

    The only counter argument any Di Canio fan has ever had is that he "found them out" and that he should have been allowed to sell an entire squad and buy a new one. It's ludicrous.
     
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    He walked out when they wouldn’t buy the players? He had offered to pay the wages £30,000 out of his own pocket and then they sold his top player in the window when they were second top without even telling him. Aye the man’s a twat, fancy having to play for a self centred bloke like him with high standards when you could be out on the piss.
     
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    Still nothing on what he did at Sunderland then?

    It's amazing that it was a decade ago, that's 10 whole years to decide why he was good and the best anyone can come up with is that "the players were pissheads".

    He couldn't manage them and he's not had another job since. It's that simple.
     
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    We were sleep walking toward relegation when he arrived. The players seemed to either not care, or not realise it. He was the kick up the arse the club needed for those 7 games.

    You have probably read the story about his first day. Adam Johnson fell asleep in his first team meeting, after supposedly some of the players had been on a weekend bender. They lost on the Saturday but had already planned to go to Scotland straight after for Fletchers birthday. Sat night Sunday and home on the Monday was what Kilgallon claimed. Except Oneil was sacked when they were away and Di Canio appointed and every player was told to be in 9 on Monday for a meeting. Kilgallon said some of them just stayed out the Sunday night and looked a mess on the Monday morning. The article is still around to read - there is more stuff in it which reads like a mix of players whining because they have to work harder and longer, and Di Canio being an idiot.

    My view is he was never a right fit for us. I couldnt believe he got the gig. He probably saved relegation though, those 8 points were massive, considering we only got 3 from the previous 8 or 9 games.

    There was definitely a problem at the club when he was there. Whether it was player power, a culture of weak leadership at the top, players taking the piss. Not sure. Even Martin ONeil said he was never really in charge at Sunderland, and that was pre director of football. When an owner has his door open for players you invite problems in my opinion.
     
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    Why has he not had another job since? You seem to know, put it on here so I can have a look.
    In answer to your question, he didn’t want to manage piss heads, is that to hard for you to understand he wanted to manage professionals like himself. And of course I base what I think of Dicanio on his time at Swindon that’s why we employed him, what do you base our next manager on?
     
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    Everyone wants to manage perfect staff and anyone could manage perfect staff to success. But you manage what you've got - he was unable to do that.

    Any previous Sunderland manager, I judge on what they did at Sunderland. When someone asks me about Moyes, I don't talk about Everton and ignore the fact that he was a total failure here.
     
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    Our club was an absolute **** show mate, no doubt about it. But you don't get credit for telling everyone they're a mess and not being able to manage it for me.
     
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    He didn’t tell everyone they were a mess he told Short and he decided to back the piss heads instead of Di Canio and that’s why we had 4 seasons in league one, not because Di Canio can’t manage, he’d already proved that he could, he just couldn’t manage drunks.
     
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    So what you are saying is if we brought Guardiola in and he lost his first few games and got the sack you would think he was s hit without taking into consideration what he’d done at City?
     
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    The squad that went into league one was completely different to the one Di Canio had and it was 5 years apart. It's like you think the exact same team went down the next season.
     
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    And I think you really believe that<laugh>
     
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    Guardiola has a full history of success. Di Canio's only managerial role was 2 leagues lower and despite the success, it was described by his employer as "management by hand grenade".

    Di Canio couldn't manage our job, it was that simple. His job is to manage a football team, not just the players he wants. He was a failure.
     
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    How many of the squad was the same in the Di Canio team and the one that got relegated to the Championship?
     
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    Of course he was a failure, nobody is arguing that, but it wasn’t his fault the same as it wouldn’t be Gaurdiola’s but you can’t seem to see that.
     
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