The Hornet's Nest

Just a quick hello and goodnight. Long drive tomorrow and we're setting off at 6.45am coz I'm working at 11am and the girls have a rehearsal at school at 10am! Mr H and Master H get a lie on and will trundle back some time tomorrow afternoon...lucky sods! Night then all, see you tomorrow afternoon sometime.

 

Góðan daginn til allra. Cappuccino, coffee, tea donuts and fruit are on the bar.

Frothy cappuccinos for for al, HH,Leon and W_Y
Coffees for COYH, Frenchie, Kev rob and theo
Strong coffee for Sandy
Milky coffee for Yorkie
Espresso for SuffolkHorn
Strong black coffees for Bragi Norway and zen
Black coffee half hot half cold and no sugar for Charlie
Tea for BHD jsybaz Lloydinio NZ and BCFC Red
hot chocolate with marshmallows for BBW
Tea and cake for Minx
Caramel latte for Hornette


Rain and half light. The temperaturemust be above 0C as no snow.

The temperature must be considered. If it is cold you need more food and if the temperature is hot less food.

 

Morning all and thanks for the frothy AK, very welcome - up early as I need to get my tyres checked and I hate waiting around in those rooms trying to be interested in a 2 year copy of Caravan Monthly! I will take my iPod and catch up on a few episodes of Fighting Talk or Danny Baker...

So off to bandit country to get some new tyres and a visit to B&Q for some bits and pieces - Mrs W_Y is preparing the list.

Looks like a mild but grey morning out there...

 

Bit longer than that Dan - although it's not an exact science! Most humans could actually survive for up to around 35 days as long as they are properly hydrated. Beyond that, it only takes around a week for death to occur - as inmates of the Maze Prison would testify.

Ganhdi, for reasons best knowm to himself, regularly used to go on 21 day hunger strikes without ill effect. I, on the other hand, have rarely been known to go beyond 21 minutes without sustenance of some sort.

 

Bloody typical of scum-town, they did not turn up - I waited 20 mins outside Slowfit and no one turned in to open up....just typical

 

It's been suggested that someone drop 10K of them from a helicopter flying over the stadium. Good idea imho.

 

Morning all. Arrived back from Leeds 45 mins ago and now i'm heading out to work, no peace for the wicked. Will be knackered tonight! See you later all, have a great day! View attachment 8231

 

So whats the difference when teams wear black armbands to commemorate a death. Why don't the England team just wear armbands with poppies on them?

Problem solved!!!

 

Sorry, forgot my manners. Morning everyone, hope you all had a good and safe bonfire night.

 

FIFA would probably still say no - the poppies are red, not black

Perhaps we should all find an email/twitter address for the senseless twats who thought this one up and simply start a campaign to bombard them with pictures of a poppy. Anyone know Septic Bladder's email address?

 

BB is it: [email protected] ?

 

Tried that but it came back undelivered

I have just tweeted Sepp Blatter though - and attached a poppy pic. Feel slightly better - just hope others do the same.

 

@SeppBlatter for anyone who's interested - and here's a poppy pic to attach

The silly bugger left himself open by tweeting this 2 hours age "Our organisation is composed of a dedicated team of over 350 men and women in Zurich. They work hard and they all deserve our respect"

It was too hard to resist

 

Definitely!! Something needs to be done about this!! Every single player in the FL and PL wore a shirt with a poppy on it and all coaches wore a pin on poppy. Many thousands of men gave their lives to give us the freedom we have and take for granted every day. Many still do, they dont just deserve a minute silence on one day, they deserve recognition every single day of the year!!

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Total respect for that BHD....

 

Football is a game - it should not be mixed with politics.

Whether you like it or not poppies are a political statement

They can wear a poppy on their tracksuit - is that not good enough?
Once you allow poppies then you open up for example the Iran team to wear an anti Israeli emblem - and all sorts of other national political statements

I personally find poppies offensive - together with the statement wear you poppy with pride. It should be worn with shame at the fact that it started after the First World War when many of our brave young men were forced to fight in appalling circumstances by rich bloated generals who did not fight themselves and used our troops as cannon fodder. Brave men who got shell shock were executed for cowardice. The war was fought for colonial imperialists. Read Siegfried Sassoon and Robert Graves.

At school we used to wear poppies died black as a protest and the peace movement use white poppies - imagine the howls if one of our players chose to protest like that.

People should not assume we all support the madness that is war - it is bad enough the BBC and other TV stations ensuring everyone on telly at the moment wears a poppy.

Nowadays wars are fought by professional soldiers - it should be the government's responsibiity to provide for them and their families if they are injured or killed - not left to them relying on Charity handouts

Leave it to personal choice - and keep it away from sport

Rant over

 

Yeah thanks for that Lenny - but your whole argument is totally flawed and you have to add many disjointed points to try and make it stand - what the hell has it got to do with what you did at school?

People wear poppies as a mark of respect for those who have sacrificed so much for the peoples of this country and many others - and when you consider the amount of men and women from around the world who volunteered, your arguments become trivial - and they choose to support The Legion in the work it does with those that need it. What is wrong with choosing to support such work, do you also disagree with other charities raising funds that a government cannot support?

Wearing a poppy has nothing to do with politics, it is about respect and pride....did you complain about the minute of silence at The Vic for soldier from Watford killed in Afghan?

 

I understand where you are coming from Leonardo. However, remembering the war dead does not in any way mean you support that war or any war since. For me it's about remembering the soldiers and their families, not just WW1 but any conflict since WW1. Having dated a sailor I have a lot of respect for anybody in the armed forces and especially their families.

I went on a school trip to Ypres for a week and saw the trenches and graveyards and I still remember the sheer enormity of it all. I remember the sadness at seeing so many gravestones with the words "Unknown Soldier" and underage soldiers. Politics didn't come into it at that moment.

I wear my poppy for these soldiers. To remember the awfulness of war, to remember what they did and to remember their families.

 

WY – you have done as I expected – and launched quite an aggressive response. Mine is not “an argument” but a few points that I believe in – read them or not as you please but don’t try to pretend to critique flaws in my argument. The school mention was to bring in the concept of black and white poppies and make the point that people would not appreciate players who believed in wearing those.

Many more people die on the roads each year and in many other situations yet we do not have a day to show respect for those innocent lives lost. Poppy Day commemorates lives lost in WAR – governments around the world find ways to encourage young men in particular to fight for their causes. In the First World War after which Poppy Day began conscription was the norm after the early volunteers had been lost – and it went on until the late 50s. Even during the FWW men who did not “volunteer” were given white feathers for cowardice – enormous pressure on them was brought to bear. Since then soldiers have become professional and as such are no different to people who work in other dangerous places like oil rigs. An employer – government or not - whose employee is hurt is responsible and to leave it to charity is an insult. I happen to be a Pacifist so do not appreciate young men being blown to bits in Afghanistan fighting a war that should not be fought. Bring all our soldiers home – and like Germany we would not have a growing list of killed and injured. WY I remember from a previous discussion a long time ago that you have a relative or relatives hurt by either the Germans or Japanese so I appreciate this is a personal issue for you – but it does not mean everyone has to follow your line – and I do not

“do you also disagree with other charities raising funds that a government cannot support? “

I did not say that I disagree with charities raising funds for any cause – read what I said again – I believe a government that injures or kills its people has a duty to them and that they should not be left to rely on charity – which can be humiliating. Charities are good things and I support anyone who wants to give freely to any charity doing so – but I do not like to see people “forced” to support a charity.

Wearing a poppy has nothing to do with politics, it is about respect and pride....did you complain about the minute of silence at The Vic for soldier from Watford killed in Afghan

As already stated Poppies are associated solely with War and by definition that makes it political. I have no more respect or pride for people who choose to go and kill others than I do for oil workers and others in dangerous occupations. I just believe they have a choice and should choose not to volunteer to kill people. I happen to belive in the commandment “thou shalt not kill” - it says nothing about “except bad people”

I would always observe a minute’s silence at Watford for a young life tragically lost in whatever cause – even one in which I do not believe. As it happens that young man used to date my daughter – no more relevant I know than my “school” point but for those who choose to read it is a fact.

To me Poppy Day is a terrible example of political correctness – everyone has to support it or people like you feel perfectly entitled to criticize people like me who happen to hold an alternative view. In my world you are entitled to support wearing Poppies as much as you like but you should also applaud those who have different oopinions

 

Betty - you are totally correct. War is awful and our soldiers are brave and it is sad. My objection is to making Poppy Day something that if you happen to disagree with makes you a "bad person" - I do not think I am - but I cannot condone governments killing and maiming their people - the government and media massively support Poppy Day and it becomes tantamount to indoctrination and brainwashing - people who do not support it are attacked - much as the white feather was previously used. It is politics anyway and should be left out of sport. We do not have deaths on the road day or deaths in industrial accidents day - should we feel less sad for those people and their families?