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LFC Cricket Bashing Thread

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Red Hadron Collider, May 15, 2013.

  1. Solid_Air 2

    Solid_Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    it has been surprisingly a wonderfully test series so far .
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

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    What helps is its a competitive clash of styles.

    Pakistan are there to win playing test cricket, they have to win at home.

    England are there to win playing odi cricket and are willing throw the game away to win it rather than draw.

    Like... in fairness this could easily be one draw one loss as 2 wins so Pakistan are right there fighting but England are delivering with both bat and ball which makes sense given thry are no test batsmen, they don't have the technique in a lot of cases so scoring fast is working.
     
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  3. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Let's just see how it continues to develop <ok>
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

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    First major hurdle is when someone absolutely hands them their heads.

    They have been happy to play chase but have also won good tosses here in Pakistan tour.

    Eventually they have to shrug at a loss that could have been avoided and stay the course.

    But it is odi game plan with odi players not a test game plan with test players.

    Eventually bowling outfits will recognise this and stop panicking when they concede runs to aggressive play.
     
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  5. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Are you trying to tell me Anderson isn't test standard?
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

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    no, I'm not :) is he the only one you thought of?

    line up for the last game

    crawley - not test standard opener but will be persevered with.
    duckett - another fast scoring limited overs man who has come in. really loving agressive play. sub on hayes, roy or whoever you like.
    jacks- another young lad waiting for his change even at odi level. lots of limited over play, good amound of first class but he's pitched right in and asked to play fast.
    root - Fast scoring and should be playing more odi but is too good for t20 close eyes and swing game. He can play any form and be brilliant.
    brook - classic fast scoring odi/ limited overs player
    pope - another odi type
    stokes - pure odi/limited overs man. everything is heroic or out.
    wood - best and tall but not test match level usually picked as odi
    lawrence was picked - an absolute monster hitter at limited overs not an overs builder
    robinson - another interesting one. not a huge amount of pace but works.
    leech - not fancied by anyone at test levels.
    Anderson - the legend.

    The purpose here seems clear to me, theres not a blocker among them. every one is a fast scorer rather than someone to build an innings.

    the bolwing is likewise. They are looking for back up spin and all round batting but are still looking at 4 seamers with 2 of same being able to score. stokes especially but wood also. Anderson is almost and exception here to what they are about in batting but .. aggression, aggression, aggression.

    eventually someone will run thorugh them like a does of salts but better to get 200 swinging (or 70) then get 120 or 150 all out defending like they did in the end of root era.
     
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  7. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Thing is, you’ve gone through and said we don’t have anyone that can block it and play a ‘proper test innings’ so why would you want them to try do that? Surely you play to your strengths. If your team is best set up to play aggressive then do it. Yes there will be days when things don’t go well and collapses happen, but what’s the alternative?

    Ask the top 5 to go out and block leave every ball and we end up 50-4 like we’ve done in the last few years.

    It’s like saying we’re gonna play 442 and get 2 wingers to cross into the forwards to head in. But our forwards are owen and Defoe.
     
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    I wouldn't want a blocker on its own. Thst burns or others. They are also yuk as 2 and over is bad.

    Scoring 6 an over on average might not be sustainable when analysts start getting into this.

    The point would be these player probably are not capable of getting in on any given track and building a score to get 100 like root etc so are probably picked to go hard for 40 or 50 and if they get that great.
     
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  9. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Stokes is great and s superb captain. Brooks can play any form and will be great. Pope is good too.
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Pope made an interesting comment this week, he's not afraid to get out now when batting.

    That kind of says the type of support some get.

    I dunno if these guys are really test level until someone decides to bowl to exploit this type of approach. I honestly don't think we have seen anyone really get just as aggressive back. This summer there was a few that looked panicked at being attacked rather than in a bowling contest.

    I mean, the rules in odi and t20 for bowlers are so restrictive this attacking batting is enabled but at test level you cannot predict what ball is coming

    It'll be just interesting to see what support the team gives and media givens when they do get done over for the first time.
     
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  11. Red Hadron Collider

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    I think they'll get some decent slack. They will from me <ok>
     
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    I not sure they will get a lot of slack if the stuff coming through on BBC other day when Pakistan were in with a shout is anything to go by
    Loads tearing into them
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

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    It bunk England will be a bit disappointed to let Pakistan recover to 304 all out after some wickets really then away.

    Another awful pitch. Wood tried a few bouncers and they barely came up to waist height.

    The young lad got on lovely lbw but was dropped a few short so had a decent debut I guess.

    The 300 seem par here so England need to score well.

    Crawley already out and this will be dominated by spin imo.

    Root has just had his 51st test match wicket off a full toss.
     
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Brook century.

    England still trail due to some poor wickets earlier.

    59 runs for par, 5 wickets.
     
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    Nice effort from wood to get 30 odd again.

    Very small lead with 1 left.

    The second brook went England were in trouble but it was a very decent show from wood to get us on par.

    Big bowling performance needed in the morning.
     
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  16. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Brooks is class. Yes, we need quick wickets tomorrow.
     
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  17. moreinjuredthanowen

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    A very useful few runs scored this morning and leech has made good progress in bowling.
     
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  18. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Spinners done the damage. Ahmed with 3 more wickets this innings. Dream debut for the kid.
     
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  19. Solid_Air 2

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    Leech is the leading wicket taker in Test cricket this year - not something anyone would ever have predicted <laugh>
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

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    They took their time playing him this morning but I reckon they wanted that aged ball.

    Great debut
     
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