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  1. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    Bloody Putin sticking his nose in it everywhere <grr>
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    similar to the lake snow effect, if the warm moist air gets into the mix it dump snow not rain A few years ago I was in Scotland twice in DECEMBER and and come 5th January there was 18" of snow on the lawn I where I stayed being on NW COAST [ gulf stream point ] they tended to have about 6" over the course of the winter ... in the previous 30 years ....
     
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    Fresh rail strikes have been announced for Christmas Eve with the walkout threatening to hit celebrations and travel over the festive weekend.
    Workers at the UK's biggest rail union RMT will walk out from 6pm on 24 December until 27 December as the row over pay and conditions escalates.

    So railworkers want christmas off ... and Labour MINISTER joins in on their side .... The railways cannot change up the time tables to put on more trains after a certain date. so whatever happens after this week will bring chaos to Christmas travellers. 4% PLUS 4% NEXT YEAR seems quite a reasonable step up [ actually worth more than 8% ] . There is an awful lot of workers having to bite the bullet many who are struggling on minimum wage, or are a few £'s higher and having to deal with inflation. Many of these likely use the trains? and will suffer the consequence of the Rail workers demands in even higher inflation....
    This is not the actual rail workers causing this as they have not yet voted, it is being driven by the union bosses who are making the demands .. [ driven by Labour? ]
    It will serve them right, although on second thoughts maybe a big fat redundancy payment would likely be a big carrot for some!
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    ADDENUM TO ABOVE
    RMT offer is 5% + 4% backdated to April? ............ RDG offer is the 4% + 4% ... both at end of the day worth more than 9% and 8%
     
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    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Interest rates are 11%( or there about) this year and could well be the same or higher next , surely that mean’s around 7% below inflation this year and next. Not saying I’m agreeing with striking, but doesn’t seem an overly generous offer to me.
     
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    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    The rail workers were allowed to sit on their backsides for 18-24 months during Covid on 80% of their salary
    What they've been offered is far more than most people have got in terms of pay increases over the last few years.
    I have little sympathy
     
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    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    Typical lefty reply.

    Why not mention some of the incredibly archaic Union practices that need addressing which could fund a bigger pay increase.

    We had it in the 70s and 80s in the print industry. Would you believe pay packets were paid to Donald Duck, Mickley Mouse and others. Now every colour book is printed in China.

    Mr Lynch, be careful what you wish for.
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    will answer when I get back
     
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    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Typically right wing reply quoting stuff from 40/50 years ago
     
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    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    Typical.
    You and Capt Hindsight need to get off the fence.
    If either of you can, let us know how these umpteen strikes will be paid for.
     
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    It’s the problem caused by 10 years pre covid of austerity, services have been underfunded for years, workers living standards have been squeezed to the point many more than before are having to resort to food banks. They’ve had enough.

    Waiting lists for operations are ridiculously high, ambulances having to queue outside A&E, & that was before covid.

    The tories have put us in this position, they should have the answer how to get us out of it, but they don’t.

    In answer to your question all sides need to sit down and negotiate a deal, it’s ultimately how all disputes are resolved.
     
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    'It’s the problem caused by 10 years pre covid of austerity,'
    You've conveniently forgotten the Liam Bytne note left when the Tories gained power.
    What was it ? 'There's no money left'.
    They're all bloody useless.

    'In answer to your question all sides need to sit down and negotiate a deal'

    Not going to happen, the Unions smell blood, they have the government between a rock and a hard place. The same happened the other way round with Thatcher and Scargill.
    There I go again 'stuff from 40/50 years ago' but no apology - you learn from history.
     
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    quote ASHTON
    Interest rates are 11%( or there about) this year and could well be the same or higher next , surely that mean’s around 7% below inflation this year and next. Not saying I’m agreeing with striking, but doesn’t seem an overly generous offer to me.
    INTEREST RATES ARE NOT 11% for a starter inflation is! ....... but.... these big institutions that are demanding up to 19% pat increases are only a minority % of the workforce and even less of a % of the working age population/ pensioners ...
    AMBULANCE/ NURSES / FIREMEN/ POLICE when thet get a raise then the .gov pays. WHERE DO THEY GET THEIR MONEY ...? from taxes, who pays the taxes ? ... everybody so less income to spend on necessities like food and heating so everyone needs a raise ..!so employee's of the electric gas supermarket food suppliers all need a rise, so those people put up their prices and up goes inflation a round robin ..what goes round goes round ..
    SO THEY GET PAID 10% inflation goes to 15% and those not having a made a claim could say look inflation is 15% we need a rise it is chaos out of control

    QUOTE ANGELIC
    What they've been offered is far more than most people have got in terms of pay increases over the last few years.
    I have little sympathy
    agree they are being greedy and if inflation drops back as it did a couple years ago will they give it back ......NO

    will answer when I get back
     
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    IT IS THE TRUTH THOUGH many industries were lost MSH lost out to SPANISH and was the end of SABM
    who lost out to SPANISH and Scandinavia paper board makers and printers ...
    he knows , been told many times but either cant see it or is denial of it!
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    TOTALLY AND ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU ... but .. LOOK AT the wider picture, why was it necessary? because the previous .gov left office leaving the UK IN THE shi*e..
    1) no money in the kitty AND GOLD RESERVES SOLD!
    2) loans up to the eye balls .. SOME AT HIGH RATES
    3) .GOV borrowing rate was going through the roof because our economy and financial status had been eroded .. WE WERE A BAD RISK!
    4) FAST FORWARD 10 YEARS and austerity had brought us back to reality, ........ in the BLACK .. not money gone into a black hole and Boris started the re vamp and very successful it was STARTING TO BE .....
    5) Fast forward 2 more years and covid ... all the profit from Austerity gobbled up
    6) FAST FORWARD ANOTHER YEAR Boris gone/ going and Putrid war = WORLD financial crises and inflations in all countries of the civilised world.

    Yep some of the infrastructure a problem stemming from AUSTERITY , AUSTERITY NEEDLESSLY BROUGHT ON BY PREVIOUS .GOV FAILURES.
     
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    Nothing to do with the 2008 financial crash then ?, which was also a world wide event !!, you keep saying the difficulties we are in now is largely due to covid and Russia, which are world events, but refuse to accept the 2008 crash was also a world wide event.
    Austerity didn’t need to last 10 years. Doing so shrunk the economy too much and allowed services and the infrastructure to be so badly underfunded they were insufficiently resilient to withstand any shocks at all.
    Many of the strikes now are also due to workers fed up of twelve years of seeing their living standards reducing and having to cope with dealing with the results of the services being underfunded, it’s now all come to a head.
    An example of this is the NHS, too few staff, working their nuts off year after year to see no improvement, or even a chance of improvement, many then leave or become agency nurses which are paid double, with more flexibility,
     
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    The NHS needs a fundamental tear down and resizing to make it work better ?

    Should we just have treatment at the point of contact like other countries have, and an insurance policy to cover the rest etc ?

    The NHS currently costs this country £277 Billion a year (!!!!!!!) and large parts of it are not fit for purpose.

    70 million plus people now live in this country and the waiting lists are getting longer and are currently around 7m in length.

    Let those who are lucky enough to get full private health insurance be removed from being under the NHS umbrella which is one good incentive, and give them a tax break and lessen the overall load ?

    And if possible reduce the thousands of overpaid pen pushers in the NHS all of which are on over £100k a year and give that money to clinical care which is what it was designed for. Also get rid of the Inclusivity & Diversity Depts and save another lorry load of cash, and vanity offerings like cosmetic surgery.

    It really ain't difficult to see where serious wastes of money are taking place, and we the taxpayers should either get the service we've paid for in advance, or have some of our money back. That would see some proper action taking place.
     
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    Ashton, dont disagree 2008 banking crisis was not a worldwide event but it was not in the same league as we are now and of a different nature. viz......

    The 2008 financial crisis began with cheap credit and lax lending standards that fueled a housing bubble. When the bubble burst, the banks were left holding the can......
    Lehmann Bros bank was one of the catalyst's when they [ 3rd/4th? ] largest world bank ....... collapse of the USA housing market another ... it became a domino effect ...
    It was a banking crisis not an economicone causing inflation like today
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    Gordon brown "had to" borrow vast sums of money against a back drop of the Uk economy being deeply in the red at the time and propped up 2 UK banks by buying half their shares [ not going into methodology of that ]

    when the country took over in 2010 it was a coalition .. and hindered by the Liberals having almost opposite views on the way forward [ it wasnt 10 years of conservative austerity it was 8, already 2 years in when Cameron took over the coalition ]

    SO it helps to compare like for like.
    In 2019 we were being promised a lot of things and we had the means to do them indeed as stated many times the future was absolutely rosy The UK was finally back to being a world financially sound leader...

    BRING ON covid and Putrid and we are where we are ..... likely to be weighed down by by strikes and demands that will fuel the economy at a high inflationary rate for years to come.
     
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    HOW MANY MILLION [ billions ] IS ACTUALLY PAID INTO THE NHS fund by the NI contributions .. more than is spent! It is mixed in pension contributions and care for the elderly! When it was tried to get all things in their respective box's it was forced out .......
    Bit like road tax ... in the beginning it was like the French system on the pay motorways all the money goes on it ... roads and suchlike. Now the tax is massively higher AND ONLY A small % goes to roads and infra structure.

    Think about it... a ministry of transport that has to ask the .gov for money! A NHS service [ ministry ] that has to ask the .gov. A works and pension pension ministry that has to ask the .gov for money SO, lets have those tax's collected by the HMRC, and paid into the accounts of the various ministries [ less say 10% toward cost of doing so ] and let them their own masters .. bit like the BBC .. LICENCE FEE GOES TO THE BBC and no free elderly discount now either as payments to staff are excessive!
     
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