Not in this country, unfortunately. How do they create an atmosphere with no low roof and far from the pitch? On, they all join in.
British culture thats why Reserved unsocial going to public houses and having a pint sat a table Everything closed past 5pm More flamboyant social cultures have similar atmospheres
That can't be a good atmosphere cos there's no coked up 15 year olds chucking coins, vapes and trying to rush the segregation lines when the oppo score. That's what's needed according to some...
Who has said that? You would be moaning about all that noise and people jumping up and down whilst you were trying to quietly contemplate the game and calculate the xGs..
As far as XGs go I'm more a BIN kinda fella. Don't put words in my mouth re: atmosphere. Only difference is that you seem to imply it depends on a minority of scrotes being allowed to act like pricks and not know when the line is crossed. It clearly doesn't.
I still don’t think you get my objections to the overpolicing and stewarding at the MKM compared to elsewhere despite little happening. The efforts to quell any exuberance on the part of City fans whilst giving free rein to away fans goes back to the early 1970s at BP.
Yeah, welll anyone got put in the north that day vs bratfud 30 years ago would have every right to question humbersaard plods policy making, esecially as they've been getting relative exorbitant amounts for policing a creche up til recntly... And appear to be doing a botch job of it now. That's not to say you've been very conspicuous in avoiding direct criticism of voilent ****s. It's everyone elses fault. Like you're some kind of centre right mercenary with no kind of sense of social responsibility. Hey ho. You do you
Who is saying it is everyone else’s fault? I am questioning the over the top response regarding stewarding and policing. Which other stadium has stewards stood between home fans (and that happened in the East Stand as well)? How can other stadiums manage with one aisleway of segregation in a packed stadium? Are you saying the MKM is more dangerous on a matchday than Liverpool v Man. Chelsea v Leeds, Arsenal v Tottenham all of which manage with one aisleway? You appear to be a left wing, deluded liberal, Corbynista, Remoaner eco zealot frightened of his own shadow.
I remember when there was a lot of hooliganism at Boothferry Park A lot of the people I knew would be classed as hooligans None of them were racists In the ground the usual trouble was between our fans and the police Rarely was there trouble between opposing sets of fans That was usually outside the ground
and sometimes they dont hooligans are usually part of a group and most of them dont like racists racists may group together but not to be football hooligans
I remember going to Tottenham v Nottingham Forest in the 70s A lot of Tottenham "hooligans" waited outside the away end for the gates to be opened When the gates were opened the Forest fans ran at the Tottenham fans and the Tottenham fans ran away in panic
Spot on Pete. From someone who stood shoulder to shoulder with you on Bunkers Hill in those days. It was the police v us. And when a club brought thousands of away fans, ie; Sheff U/Wednesday, Leicester, Boro etc it was them and the police v us.
But Peter, back in the 50's and 60's which is probably when you're talking about there weren't as many people of different race around so those that were here were less prominent and could be more easily ignored. I believe 'mass' racism kicked off much later when there were more here, more established and playing a bigger part in daily life.
Never used to see police stood amongst stood amongst home fans on the Kop ends of other clubs like they did at BP. And a lot were larger, more boisterous Kops than our relatively small one which was half seats.
Racism was never a big thing amongst football fans. A lot of hooligan mobs had very handy blacks amongst them. Though the black ones could be racist to Pakistanis and Indians.
I I don't even think we were 'hooligans' in those days. We were, in the main, teenage football fans of Hull City. I don't ever remember race being an issue. It was also a different world then for a teenage football fan. You literally took your life in your hands when travelling away because of the company you kept amongst lads of the same age. Everyone wore colours and you all travelled together. You had to watch your own and other backs all day. At Boothferry Park, at that age and time, I saw it as defending your own end, as all clubs did. Safety in numbers. The trouble came when others threatened the home end. Our home end ( fans) also seemed to be younger than the fans coming from the bigger clubs, certainly both Sheffield clubs, we started off as supporters on the popular end and grew up fast purely to prevent yourself getting a good kicking. That was football in the 70's. I remember as a 14 year old getting a brick slammed in my face whilst getting back on our bus at Middlesboro. The bus was also pelted with bricks whilst the police stood and watched. This after getting beaten black and blue in the ground by the first real hooligans I had come across. The local police just stood by, shrugged their shoulders and actually said to me 'you shouldn't have come'. At home our own police used to actually provoke us and seemed to enjoy throwing us out of the ground or into the cells behind 'our' stand. I know this to be true after speaking to retired policemen later in life who used to look forward to a day's overtime at City. It was like a game to them and certainly lucrative.
