weren't west ham involved with the national front? also having someone who is black in a hooligan firm doesn't stop racism same way some are racist against opposition players and not their own. i can guarantee that guy heard so much racism from his comrades but he was 'one' of them, a good one etc
Steven C Yaxley-Lennon ripped off quite a few by association to the Luton 'firm' also. Planty of racists and fascists (in the genuine as opposed to generic definition) attach themselves to a football 'ultra/hooligan' base as an initial platform. Ultimately they spend their proceeds on a nice pad abroad and **** off after serving their sentences though. As Yaxley-Lennon apparently has. Ironic given his Brexit stance.
I was in a pub a few years ago when one of those sad inadequates, an East Yorks White, was mouthing off and making racist remarks every time a black player on the other team got the ball. He was then jumping about and celebrating when Yeboah banged in an absolute screamer. I asked him if he realised what a daft **** he was coming across as.
At one time a lot of bars in Tenerife were owned and run run by members of the ICF who didn’t stand for any competition and used to fly back to watch West Ham games and travel the world watching England games.
Glasgow hooliganism is,in the main,related to sectarianism between two Clubs.I've seen it first hand at many old firm games,difference is there are no handbags involved...
If you think 'sectarianism' is between two football clubs, then think again and read some history books. It's underpinned by the same superiority attitudes which has in the Rangers/Celtic arena become a conflict of culture, religion, heritage and ultimately the root was race. It's centuries old.
I said Glasgow Hooliganism is borne out of secterianism,can't see why you're questioning that to be honest.Thanks for the invite to read some history books but I'll pass if it's all the same to you?
Well 'Bourne out of ' made all the difference to how I read your statement. So I'll retract my invite and apologise for my tone.
Timmy Robobob or whatever he calls himself these days fell on quite hard times once he realised people weren't interested in his grift. He was dropped by Ezra Levant, was declared bankrupt and ended up having to post desperate videos on Telegram. March of this year was the deadline he had to pay the people he owed. He was most recently seen stalking people who cover his behaviour with a former IRA bomber as his security. He continues to live miserably on the outskirts of London with very little to his name.
I'm applying it to all tribalism which crosses a line. I'm all for rivalry, atmosphere and good natured banter. It's just where it's crosses a line.... Why do you pick that secific example out?
You're making an assumption all hooligan firms were predominantly racist, that's a stereotype and was not the case, Birmingham, Spurs, Arsenal, Man City & Derby all had notable mixed race mobs back in the day.
National front and other far right spinoffs have commonly targeted football as a recruiting ground for decades though, as have alternative nationalists in areas they feel they can exploit. We walked into a wembley pub in May 2008 and heard a rendition of 'no surrender' we'd never heard on the terraces at BP for at least a decade or at all - ever at the Circle before.. Sung by people we'd never seen, home or away before. Or just maybe 1 or 2. And when there's 200 of you regularly away in the late 90s early 00s in the Barclays 4th div you ask what the **** is going on.
No surrender isn't racist and appeared on quite a few Hull City flags in the 90's & 00's carried by loyal City lads when we were lower league, that's nothing to be ashamed of.
It's not racist it's sectarian, nationalistic and comes from a tribalistic root. 80's and 90s we might have had local lads serving there at her majesty's governments request, so there's nothing wrong with showing that support. If they only appeared in the 00s then it was probably a political statement in disagreement with the good Friday agreement. In 2008 in a pub outside Wembley how in the **** was it even relevant? Playing Bristol; On that day?
I've been amongst it and it is clearly borne out of sectarianism, the ****ing hate each other. As you say when it kicks off it is not handbags its no holes barred.
