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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. FellTop

    FellTop Well-Known Member

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    Terrible state of affairs isnt it. Where will it all end you wonder? It is hard to envisage anything other than more rsstrictions on spending, which in real terms is cuts.

    I say be inventive. At the top end of our education systems too many universities take up too much money. Lets re-balance the rush to university Blair created and push more youngsters into apprenticeships. It will have so much benefit across the board. Money can then be pushed down to primary and secondary to create more able youngsters.
     
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  2. The Exile II

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    Global shortages directly affect companies ability to to business and create jobs and growth.

    It's all connected, but as you've shown, you don't bother reading anything provided to you so I didn't expect you to know that.
     
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  3. Oliver's Army

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    Rishi now spewing on about how good it was at COP27, he wasn't even going to bother his arse turning up until late last week.

    And now it's 'only right' that Williamson has resigned even though he publicly backed him 2 days ago.
     
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  4. Smug in Boots

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    These supply chain issues were known when the Tories were promising a high wage high employment society just a few months back ...

    ... in fact highly paid delivery drivers were part of the big plan.

    Just more empty promises.
     
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  5. The Exile II

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    The approach to COP was always crap. Why not just say he'd make every effort to go but might not be able to because of other obvious priorities.
    Why a climate conference where nothing is ever achieved other than increasing private jet flights and could easily (and more greenly) be a zoom meeting seems to have taken on this bizarre religious status, who knows.
     
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    If the issues were fixable instantly that would have been done. The clue is in the word global.
     
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    <laugh>
     
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    Germany struggling. France struggling. The US struggling. Russia ostracized. All these economies are more interlinked than ever before, including 2008.

    Labour will face the same issues when they next get in.
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    But Boris delivered Brexit ....
     
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    Suppose it's more front and centre these days with people gluing themselves to roads and damaging van gough art works etc. Big PR blunder to say he wasn't going to attend initially. Agree it could have been held online somehow.
     
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  11. The Exile II

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    Which obviously has a huge effect on the US economy's links to France or Germany.

    What's that smiley you like? Ah there it is - <doh>
     
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  12. Smug in Boots

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    But Boris promised our economy would flourish after Brexit ...

    ... it's been a while now and things just keep getting worse.
     
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  13. FellTop

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    We do have to take account of global issues though dont we? Clearly they have immediate and real impact on us, and therefore what the government of the day have on their agenda?

    Covid, War in Ukraine, Climate crisis are all global factors that lead to problems we have to overcome. They arent created by the PM or his team. They do need to come up with credible responses. The problem is responses can never be short term, it has to be a long game. Maybe we are catching a wave with the democrat performance in the mid terms, fingers crossed.

    I tend to think the country is in a completey desperate state. The appointmemt of Gavin Williamson, in my opinion, is not the debate of the day politically, it is one of many diversions built up by the media that are detracting the MPs across the house from their jobs. Jobs that we the taxpayer pay over £130m a year for.

    We have had this sort of party politics built up over the last 40 years or so. Maybe I shouldnt be surprised. You can trace back the internal challenges we face today back to previous incumbents, on both sides. A little proof that we have been making bizarre decisions for decades. Between 1991 and 2019 water companies paid out more in Exec bonuses than they spent on pipe maintenance. Now we are supposedly suffering a drought and a hosepipe ban exists in November. Tell me pipes arent part of the problem. There are so many other examples. I mentioned earlier the drive to get more kids to university.

    The point being the government of the day have deal with consequences of global and macro factors, sometimes unpredicted. They also have to deal with the legacy of issues prior governments leave behind. Then they have their own self made challenges too of course. Maybe the sign of any good government is to have no self made mess, I cant remember one though.

    High time to scrap the 2 party approach, build a cross house coalition system. That would be progressive politics. Doubt I will see the day though.
     
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  14. The Exile II

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    Whose economy is flourishing right now?
     
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    Of course we do, it just becomes a bit 'Father Jack' and flung out as an answer to any difficult question ...

    ... Brexit was supposed to improve things but they're gradually becoming worse.
     
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    Perhaps that's partly due to covid happening at roughly the same time, then a bloody war that massively affected the economies of the whole world :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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  17. Smug in Boots

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    His pledge was well after the worst of Covid tbf.

    07 Oct 2021

    Prime minister Boris Johnson used his speech to this week’s Conservative Party conference to pledge a wealthier, better-skilled future for the nation, but pay and reward for civil servants was conspicuously absent from the six-thousand word clarion call.

    And while the PM thanked NHS staff, council workers, volunteers, public health specialists and the pharmaceutical industry for their work in getting the nation through the coronavirus pandemic, the efforts of departmental staff went unmentioned.
     
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  18. The Exile II

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    I can't believe he didn't achieve that entirely in the nine months between that and his resignation, with only a war that affected the economies of the entire world to worry about in that time.
     
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    Didn't come close tbh ...

    ... if you can't blame Covid blame Putin.

    If that fails it's global issues.

    Never their fault is it.
     
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  20. The Exile II

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    Yes it is, quite often. There are occasions when they're at the mercy of global situations, however, and they come around more often as global interconnectivity increases.

    'never their fault' and 'always their fault' are not the only options available.
     
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